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    My thoughts on the Ubermensch are simple: they are similar to a Psychopath, but more apathetic and less antisocial. they don't actively oppose the status quo, but they don't adhere either. Morals are subjective, consequences objective. I think the Ubermensch is INTJ or INTX with elevated Fi, but I can't say for sure. my reasoning is based on the premise that Nietzsche would probably have identified the Ubermensch with himself (the Will to Power can be a very self-serving life-style, also akin to that of a non-violent Psychopath), the Ni is associated with internal creativity, Ti with internal rationality and Fi with personal values over commonly accepted values. my interpretation holds that the Ubermensch would have the following constellation: Ni=Ti (approx) > Ne=Te (approx) > Fi > Fe or Ni=Ti (approx) > Fi > Ne=Te (approx) > Fe. Si and Se are less relevant, but should not be higher than the T or N items. However, I claim no dogma, my arguments are rational, albeit subjective. Kind of a paradox, because Personality metrics are used to quantify a quality, empirical subjectivism. feel free to argue otherwise, I'm more than willing to listen to viable arguments.

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    I thought the ubermensch was more like the superego personified.?
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    ExTP 8w7 Sx/So, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    ExTP 8w7 Sx/So, of course.
    Explain? Why is that type the only one that could be the personification of Ubermensch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Explain? Why is that type the only one that could be the personification of Ubermensch?
    Because Ubermensch have a eyebrow movement and speaking like Actor Soandso, who is ExTP 8w7 Sx/So. Thinks as P do too.

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    Caliban the Untermensch

    It's the untermensch that matter. And the untermensch that matters most is Caliban.

    Caliban from Shakespeare's Tempest says it like it is -

    "You taught me language, and my profit on’t
    Is I know how to curse. The red plague rid you
    For learning me your language!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Because Ubermensch have a eyebrow movement and speaking like Actor Soandso, who is ExTP 8w7 Sx/So. Thinks as P do too.
    Of course!

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    Here's one that Nietzsche himself identified to be one.

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    Did he? Neitzsche didn't do much except write books, I thought. It seemed to me that the ubermensch was someone with his mentality, but lived more. Kind of seemed like he was idealizing the last piece of the puzzle that he didn't have -- a lot of Se. I don't agree that ETPs are the ubermensch, but maybe an ESTP (but not all ESTPs or most or even a fraction would qualify..). ENTPs are full of drive, but it's like long range ballistic energy, firing missles in all directions. And they are people with an eye on potentialities. Not reality. NTs in general reach for something new or otherworldly to place back here on earth. This is all anathema to an ubermensch. They are an individual who simply enjoys life as it is. They aren't trying to be visionary or inventive or philosophical about it. The philosophy is a secondary result of them living without preconceptions. I can only think of one ubermensch, and he was fictional. Robert E Howard's Conan.

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    Any type with fi. Nietzsche was an INTJ, so its obviously skewed in that direction in his writing, but theoretically any type with fi can pull it off. The defining feature of the Ubermensch is self-defined values, as opposed to values defined through other people or society ("the herd"). Thats the definition of fi vs. fe right there. Nietzsche conceived the Ubermensch as an alternative to the fe-obsessed value system of Christianity (Jesus was probably ENFJ), so fi is the salient characteristic. Gabriele d'Annunzio, for instance, was ESFP http://www.economist.com/news/books-...C3%BCbermensch

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