The ESFP "stupid" myth.

[Oaky]

I simply reminded him that his argument had flaws and pointed out what they were... this thread needs to die because I'm really tired of people using personality type as a rationale for deciding that someone else is inadequate in some way

intolerant people need to have the flaws in their logic pointed out to them before they become old enough to vote

Well, many 15 year olds these days. Hmmmm, they like to adhere to nonconformist standards. Not sure that would point to a good mindset to vote either way.

 

[Thalassa]

There's nothing wrong with adhering to non-conformist standards.

 

[prplchknz]

I was trying to make a point that most 15 year olds are little shits but they usually grow out of it.

 

[lunalum]

You guys who are talking about him like he's precious etc. are really making yourselves look worse in his eyes than we are, I can almost guarentee you that.

No fifteen year old wants to be talked about in the way you guys are doing. You're the ones alienating him.

I see this a lot, including IRL.

This too

 

[iwakar]

Off-topic: I didn't know so many people accepted at "face value" that others are exactly who they say they are in their online profiles. Either way, measured responses are usually defensible.

On-topic: The ESFP stupid myth is exactly that. My real life experience and whipsmart ESFP friend support my opinion.

 

[lunalum]

 

[Oaky]

There's nothing wrong with adhering to non-conformist standards.

Sure. Except if they vote for the most voted, they'd be adhering to conformism. Otherwise they'd never get a winning vote.

 

[Thalassa]

Why should anyone vote for the person most-voted-for? People should vote for whomever they agree with.

 

[prplchknz]

screw voting, kill every other candidate except for the one you support, though I suppose in a way that is voting.

 

[highlander]

I know from experience that people who get the highest grades in my school are among the dumbest, most narrow minded people I've ever met. Unfunny, rude, intellectually incurious, lacking in self-awareness, overly serious, stupid sheep incapable of any sort of independent thinking whatsoever. Their only skill is the ability to do what the teacher tells them to without question. Basically, not "intelligent" in any way.

I mean this in the most constructive way, but are you familiar with the concept of projection?

 

[Oaky]

Why should anyone vote for the person most-voted-for? People should vote for whomever they agree with.

Of course, but does an absolute non-conformist ever agree with the majority? If they did they'd be more conformist wouldn't they? So they'd always vote for that losing team.

 

[Lex Talionis]

As far as I see, this thread has vacillated from superior INTJ arguments to inferior reactionary responses by the other types. This thread holds no more value, as I have debunked the ESFP intelligence myth long ago.

 

[Oaky]

As far as I see, this thread has vacillated from superior INTJ arguments to inferior reactionary responses by the other types. This thread holds no more value, as I have debunked the ESFP intelligence myth long ago.

I'm sure you did.

 

[Thalassa]

Of course, but does an absolute non-conformist ever agree with the majority? If they did they'd be more conformist wouldn't they? So they'd always vote for that losing team.

No, an absolute non-conformist doesn't just play devil's advocate and automatically oppose everyone...they just do what they feel is right as an individual, and may rebel against the mainstream if they find it undesirable.

I think it's damaging to presume that 18 year old non-conformists just vote for whoever is different just to be difficult.

The more you talk, the more I think I respect teenagers more than you do.

Oh the irony.

 

[Hive]

I'm really tired at the moment and might have missed it, but are we sure he's 15 or is it just an assumption? Did he say so himself?

 

[Oaky]

No, an absolute non-conformist doesn't just play devil's advocate and automatically oppose everyone...they just do what they feel is right as an individual, and may rebel against the mainstream if they find it undesirable.

I think it's damaging to presume that 18 year old non-conformists just vote for whoever is different just to be difficult.

The more you talk, the more I think I respect teenagers more than you do.

Oh the irony.

So someone who thinks what the mainstream is doing is desirable and feel it is right can be an absolute nonconformist? Hmmm, not by the definition. Where "a person whose behavior or views do not conform to prevailing ideas or practice" is what it states.

Don't assume my presumption. I think they're set to a more serious mindset and generally understand the things going on. More likely to not think of conforming or nonconforming to the general thought process and therefore more set to choose what they wish as best.

 

[Thalassa]

A person whose views who do not conform to prevailing ideas or practice =/= someone who just rebels for the sake of rebelling.

 

[Patches]

I'm really tired at the moment and might have missed it, but are we sure he's 15 or is it just an assumption? Did he say so himself?

1) If you go to his profile under the "About Me" section it says Age: 15
2) http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44704&p=1498867#post1498867 In this post he states "I'm 15"
3) http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35455&p=1499834#post1499834 In this post he appears to be listing his own age, as well.

 

[Oaky]

A person whose views who do not conform to prevailing ideas or practice =/= someone who just rebels for the sake of rebelling.

But I never said they are rebelling for the sake of rebelling. I went with the definition.

 

[Perch420]

I'm really tired at the moment and might have missed it, but are we sure he's 15 or is it just an assumption? Did he say so himself?

Yes, I am 15.