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    The Ninth Doctor is an extremely intelligent ESFP.
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    And what about Dickon in the Secret Garden (F.H. Burnett)? You wouldn't call him intelligent (in the narrow NT meaning) but he isn't stupid either. In fact, that's a character who is kind, helpful, able to 'be at home whether at Buckingham Palace of at the bottom of a coal mine' and able to make friends with everyone. He's teaching everybody how to use Se
    Most of those stupid ESFPs used for comic effect aren't showing all those positive aspects that well, either...
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    IQ tests primarily deal with logic and problem solving ability, which isn't the ESFPs strength. They're not rational and are driven primarily by their emotions. I guess it depends what you define intelligence as. If you define it as g, or general intelligent, then the average ESFP would probably place at the bottom. They'd probably do well on an EQ test, or a spatial intelligence test. Most aren't intelligent in the way that laypeople define intelligence (quick thinking).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perch420 View Post
    IQ tests primarily deal with logic and problem solving ability, which isn't the ESFPs strength. They're not rational and are driven primarily by their emotions. I guess it depends what you define intelligence as. If you define it as g, or general intelligent, then the average ESFP would probably place at the bottom. They'd probably do well on an EQ test, or a spatial intelligence test. Most aren't intelligent in the way that laypeople define intelligence (quick thinking).


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    Where did I say that it was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perch420 View Post
    Where did I say that it was?
    "IQ tests primarily deal with logic and problem solving ability, which isn't the ESFPs strength."
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    So? What's wrong with my statement? Would you disagree? Would you say that the IQ of all the types is equal? That would be ridiculous. I'm not saying ESFPs are worse than INTJs, but as far as intelligence, at least the most common definition (abstact reasoning), INTJs would win by far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perch420 View Post
    So? What's wrong with my statement? Would you disagree? Would you say that the IQ of all the types is equal? That would be ridiculous. I'm not saying ESFPs are worse than INTJs, but as far as intelligence, at least the most common definition (abstact reasoning), INTJs would win by far.
    you claimed that you didnt make a statement that you made, thats whats wrong. anyways, there are several ENFPs on this forum that have high IQ. MBTI and IQ measure totally different things, thats the first thing you should learn about MBTI
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    I never said specifically that the T/F axis is responsible for intelligence/stupidity, which is what you said I said. INFJs are one of the most analytical types, behind INTPs and INTJs, and they're Fs. What I said was that ESFPs, in general, are not very interested in abstract problem solving. What's wrong with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perch420 View Post
    I never said specifically that the T/F axis is responsible for intelligence/stupidity, which is what you said I said. INFJs are one of the most analytical types, behind INTPs and INTJs, and they're Fs. What I said was that ESFPs, in general, are not very interested in abstract problem solving. What's wrong with that?
    you said that ESFPs doesent do well on IQ test, and i said that it has nothing to do with MBTI type. do you have hard time understanding that or what are you disagreeing with?
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