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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainne View Post
    ESFP are a great source of entertainment and good cheer and frankly, that's more valuable than what most people have to offer.
    agreed. having good people skills is just as important as the NT brand of intelligence to me. and i don't think my ESFP boyfriend is unintelligent, i just don't think he's an intellectual and there's a difference. he's much smarter than me in a lot of areas.

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    My ESFP sister isn't book smart, but she's a deep information reserve on people and relationships. That's not something that will come automatically or easily for most Ts and even some Fs.

    Unless you plan on marrying your right hand, you better respect what this type brings to the table. Your GPA's not going to get you laid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    Unless you plan on marrying your right hand, you better respect what this type brings to the table. Your GPA's not going to get you herpes.
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    Well, I've already stated it, but in my not so humble opinion, ESFP "intelligence" is not intelligence. Interpersonal relationship skills may be objectively acquired, as is evident by the "mask of sanity" adopted by psychopathic serial killers, who understand social mores, understand proper social etiquette, but have no, or little, empathy. Therefore, having "people skills" is not necessarily a sign of intelligence, only concern.

    If you wish to point out certain character traits you find desirable in an ESFP, that is a different matter, but don't conflate interpersonal skills with intelligence.
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    *insert necissary penis joke here... I'm possibly too dumb to communicate otherwise*



    yes... YOUR OPINION... those are the essential words there... despite your being an INTJ, nobody died and made you God

    and you have some pretty fucking narrow definitions that you espouse above as well... where's your apparent N mental flexibility now?
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    My N is balanced by my TJ. One needs to be able to sift through the garbage and find the gems.
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    you're so picky you'd throw out the rubies and sapphires in search of diamonds, not realizing that they're gemstones as well :rolli:

    let me just ask you a simple question- do you think that you are more intelligent than I am because you are an N and I am an S?
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    come on Lex, just reply with a big resounding YES like I know you want to...

    ... it'll be a good illustration of the saying "as a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool returns to his folly!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    you're so picky you'd throw out the rubies and sapphires in search of diamonds, not realizing that they're gemstones as well :rolli:

    let me just ask you a simple question- do you think that you are more intelligent than I am because you are an N and I am an S?
    Well, no, I do not think I am more intelligent than you solely because I am intuitive, or even introverted and judging. These functions are not the end (intelligence, in this case) in and of themselves, but means to an end. This means allows me to view the world, process information, and act out in a manner which is considered by most to be "intelligent." It is somewhat problematic because one must differentiate between raw cognitive power (i.e. IQ) and the ability to utilize that power, which is closely tied to your personality and, in circular fashion, IQ. Therefore, it is clear that IQ and personality are related, and I believe empirical evidence proves this, as one trip down to your local university research department will show a disproportionate amount of NT scientists, especially professors, of the INTJ/INTP variety.

    Again, the topic is whether ESFPs are a type which is, or exhibits, "stupid" traits, and not about ESFP qualities you find redeeming.
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    A. you canceled out your first statement with those following it

    B. so I can't use the "raw cognitive power" which I posess?

    C. You still fail to take into account the fact that personality tests have a self reporting bias and that people who are intellectually arrogant are more likely to answer questions in a manner that they consider to be more like the manners of higher education, whether this is true or not. A set of 4 little letters might describe the manners in which a person feels more comfortable interacting and expressing themselves and processing things, but it has NOTHING to do with someone's level of intelligence in any way, shape or form :rolli:

    You use the MBTI much in the same manner in which the Nazis tended to use genetics for goodness sake, only MBTI is signifigantly less scientific.

    You're what... 20 years old? Have you actually left school and experienced what being a grown up is about yet? Your perspectives are very narrow and not particularly well educated... I'm going to take a wild guess that you aren't studying stats or survey design either, or you'd see that the system on which you're basing your "logic" is very flawed. Of course you're going to consistantly test as an INTJ because you consider yourself to be intelligent and consider INTJs to be the most intelligent- whether it's done intentionally or subconsciously...

    People are pretty dumb, people who don't see obvious flaws and then go around putting others down because of it are especially dumb :rolli:

    now there, you just got lectured by a former National Merit Scholar who speaks like a valley girl and reads social science journals for fun
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