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    Boring old fossil Night's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I was not affronted by anything you said.
    One of the things I do on this forum is try to learn more about the different types and how they communicate.
    Your post was out of character for an ESFJ.

    OH! LOL! What you said about NTJs being dull!
    Meh. What do I care about that?
    Like you said, it's not empirical.
    I am only slightly above average intelligence myself,
    yet I am clever enough to get along very well in life.
    After all, I was clever enough to figure out you are not an ESFJ.
    Forgive my choice of words - I was speaking gently.

    INTJs are usually highly intelligent - you certainly prove this observation valid.

    Take care!

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    OP: I'm inclined to believe that Homer Simpson is an underdeveloped ISTJ or Si dominant. Personality Page pretty much nails Homer in the ISTJ personal development page.

    ISTJ Potential Problem Areas
    • Excessive love of food and drink
    • Lack of interest in other people, or in relating to them
    • Occasional inappropriate emotional displays
    • General selfish "look after oneself" tendencies
    • Uses judgement to dismiss other's opinions and perspectives, before really understanding them
    • May judge others rather than themselves
    • May look at external ideas and people with the primary purpose of finding fault
    • May become slave to their routine and "by the book" ways of doing things, to the point that any deviation is completely unacceptable
    • May have difficulty communicating their thoughts and feelings to anyone

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    My eldest sister is ESFP. I have never known anyone to have greater or more indepth knowledge of Victorian London and the Jack the Ripper case than she does.

    She underachieved in school, but not due to lack of intelligence - more due to lack of interest in the things school offered her as means of applying her intelligence. I sympathize...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    MBTI has little in common with legitimate empiricism.

    Personality is organic to the stimuli offered within one's environment and draws few falsifiable parallels with intelligence.

    Some of the dullest individuals I've encountered were NTJs.
    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    You're not really an ESFJ, are you.
    Case in point. INtJ mom instantly recognized that what Night had to offer was not typical of an ESFJ. I know him to be of another persuasion.

    I agree with most of what Night says as well, but I'd like to tack on to part of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Night
    MBTI has little in common with legitimate empiricism.
    I think that's probably due to the rigidity of function definitions (or worse, the dichotomies...). There's not enough stress on the importance of examining the functions as they work with the other functions. If there were, I suspect theory would be more inclined to affix itself to empirical observation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post

    Yay! A new word!
    Why do I love it so much when you use this smiley?
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mort Belfry View Post
    I've noticed a trend in television sitcoms for "stupid" characters to be ESFPs.
    Notably, Homer Simpson, Peter Griffin, Joey Tribbiani and Kelly Bundy.

    Obviously this a stereotype unfounded in reality, but what is it about ESFPs that makes Hollywood writers make them stupid characters, or alternatively make stupid characters into ESFPs?
    This is moot. That's hardly a trend. Peter Griffin is a rip of Homer, so there are a few examples. Why? It suits the story.

    You could equally have the same rant about any other type and throw up a few examples it means nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
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    There's not enough stress on the importance of examining the functions as they work with the other functions. If there were, I suspect theory would be more inclined to affix itself to empirical observation.
    I agree.
    I guess that's where the profiles of the types come into play, and would be of greater service if they paid more attention to that aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I agree.
    I guess that's where the profiles of the types come into play, and would be of greater service if they paid more attention to that aspect.
    I almost said exactly that.
    we fukin won boys

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    I know two ESFPs who are highly intelligent and one who is more of an easy chew toy. Of the two smart ones, one has been in jail and the other would have went to jail had she not been female. The less than brilliant one is a wonderful young man of acceptable moral behaviour. Figure that out. ^_^
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    Quote Originally Posted by runvardh View Post
    I know two ESFPs who are highly intelligent and one who is more of an easy chew toy. Of the two smart ones, one has been in jail and the other would have went to jail had she not been female. The less than brilliant one is a wonderful young man of acceptable moral behaviour. Figure that out. ^_^
    Do you know what this means? It means typewatching has become pointless! :horor:

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