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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    It doesn't escape my notice that the vast majority of posters who defend ESFPs with any semblance of reason are ENTPs.

    ENTPs have always struck me as very leftist by nature, and incapable of aligning themselves with constructive ideologies instead of stagnating egalitarianism.

    What does this tell us? It tells us that ENTPs are the poorest of the rationals when it comes to drawing inferences. Perhaps I should open a thread examining why ENTPs are the weakest NTs.
    Hmmm. You surprise me with your ideologies. Do you sincerely believe that ESFPs have a lack of intellectual capability? Do you judge their minds according to the face value projection that they project towards you? Do you perceive them in a certain way and not count that the assumptions you get from your perceptions could be false? Do you not like how they project themselves and cloud it with the belief that they are unintelligent? Have you seen inside the mind of an ESFP? ESFPs do not project with their minds. They project with their senses. So it is unlikely that one would detect the intellectual capability of their minds.
    Unless of course you are talking about the frequency of use of the mind over senses instead of quality of use.

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    ^ He's defined "intelligence" as "everything that INTJs have." Of course he thinks ESFPs are stupid.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Dear Lex Talionis:

    "One of the signs of passing youth is the birth of a sense of fellowship with other human beings as we take our place among them." VIRGINIA WOOLF

    Perhaps it is time for you to join ... rather than maintain your distance.
    "Remember always that you not only have the right to be an individual, you have an obligation to be one."
    Eleanor Roosevelt


    "When people see some things as beautiful,
    other things become ugly.
    When people see some things as good,
    other things become bad."
    Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    ^ He's defined "intelligence" as "everything that INTJs have." Of course he thinks ESFPs are stupid.
    Well I guess that's him living in his little ideal fantasy world. He's quite deluded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Well I guess that's him living in his little ideal fantasy world. He's quite deluded.
    A sibling of INTJ123.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    A sibling of INTJ123.
    Hahaha!! Definitely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    A sibling of INTJ123.
    When he realizes he's wrong (assuming he's not just trolling), he won't tell us. Why? Because that would compromise his appearance as an intellectually superior INTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Hahaha!! Definitely






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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post



    LOL! If he was here now this would be the spark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Unless one overestimates the frequency of these patterns and thus erroneously believes there are conspiracies everywhere where there aren't. You know, the tin foil hat types? Believe it or not, Ni runs into inane nonsense when taken too far, just like any function.
    Being able to discriminate and recognize real patterns is a sign of intelligence. Being able to recognize patterns, regardless if there is an underlying force behind them, is also a sign of intelligence.

    Wait--demographic prejudice is leftist now? Who are you kidding? Shall I start listing radical religious groups whose platforms are based entirely on hatred toward the demographics they dislike? And how virtually all of them are on the lunatic far right?
    No, I meant that your comment reeked of the typical leftist nonsense; this comment simply serves to supplement my original remark.

    Discrimination against individuals simply because they belong to a certain group is not perfectly natural.
    It is perfectly natural. Babies recognize differences very early in life, and humans naturally gravitate toward that which is most like themselves.

    Even Babies Discriminate: A NurtureShock Excerpt. - Newsweek.com

    Deluded social experiments that seek to mold people in the way their inane theorists want them to be is not natural.

    Dale is quite clearly Ni dominant. If you don't know someone like that in real life, then lucky you. I dunno how this works in schizoid INTJ-supremacist land, but in real life a guy who's paranoid and delusional enough to believe a crack in his neighbor's driveway signifies that the Chinese have begun mass worldwide invasion (and yet somehow can't figure out after 12 years that his native American son was fathered by the native American man his wife has been cheating on him with for years) is a moron.
    The problem is, that even if Dale was an INTJ, he would clearly be a fringe exception. Yes, I would consider his actions and behaviors idiotic, and revealing of a latent stupidity, but he remains intelligent in a way that most ESFPs aren't: he shows ingenuity, concern for abstract reality, and has a vast amount of processing power to utilize his acquired knowledge.

    Dale is quite irrational, which seems unlikely to me if his Te was developed enough to be a pure INTJ. Dale is also a caricature of the "paranoid conspiracy nut," and as such, I take his personality at face value and nothing more. I don't know of any "conspiracy nuts" in real life, only drug addicts or on television.

    You seem to think it can't be stupid just because it's Ni.
    Pattern recognition is not limited to Ni, nor is believing in "conspiracies." Go to any conspiracy website and you will notice that the vast majority of contributors are NTs of all types; but wait, so is most of the internet!

    Sure, when you judge "intellect" in terms of "things NTs are good at." I see you've ignored a large portion of my previous post, most notably the section where I mentioned the idea of multiple intelligences. If you erroneously define "intelligence" as "whatever NTs are good at", then of course you'll think other types are stupid by comparison.
    Intellect is what "NTs are good at." I apologize if this comes as a surprise or shatters your saccharine view of the world.

    Unfortunately for you, intelligence is too multi-faceted to be measured on a one-dimensional linear scale.
    I don't disagree, and this is not what I am doing.

    By the way, forum, I think we've found our resident Dale Gribble--complete with left-ophobia, INTJ supremacy, silly justifications for blatant prejudice, the opinion that ubiquitous belief in nonsensical conspiracy theories is a hallmark of great intelligence, and don't forget Nietzsche quote signature. (Nietzsche was a brilliant INTJ. Unfortunately, that doesn't make every idiot who sticks a Nietzsche quote in his signature brilliant too.)
    "Left-ophobia"? I don't fear leftists, only call them out on their bullsh*t.

    As for "ubiquitous" belief in conspiracy theories, this is your stupid (ENTP) assertion with little basis in anything other than your limited (ENTP) head.

    But don't worry about that--since you're an INTJ, I'm sure you're waaaay too smart for all of us inferior types anyway. You're much too busy proving that 9/11 was an inside job and debunking the moon landing, right?
    I'm not going down this road, as this thread is not about "conspiracies," but I will tell you that your mockery is not only useless, but moronic, unless you can provide accurate and thorough explanations against these "conspiracies."

    Ironically this guy doesn't seem to think he knows any Dale Gribbles in real life.
    I don't see the irony. Dale Gribble is fictional and nobody I have ever met fit into his profile. Not even the most driven "conspiracy theorist."
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