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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I really doubt anyone's offended. I'd say that this is not exactly the type of arena ESFP's care about enough to get butthurt by....considering that they are barely here to even give themselves the opportunity to care in the first place. That said, even though I might be one of the few here, I don't even know who Lex Talonis is. Fat chance I'm gonna start getting hurt by some random dude I know nothing about. And even if I did know him, the critcism is silly to me. Getting one's hate on for someone not being strongly rationalist or something is one of the most unrational things to do, in my opinion. There are multiple ways to value people. And about the only people worth hating are like in the extreme: the murderers, thieves.. that kind of shit. But hating people just for not being super smart is kind of crazy.
    I don't "hate" ESFPs, I just think the vast majority are stupid. Also, your post denotes that your thought pattern is inconsistent and wandering, which only corroborates my claims.
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    Most seem rather unintellectual. But, definitely not stupid. Often very intelligent and successful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    I don't "hate" ESFPs, I just think the vast majority are stupid. Also, your post denotes that your thought pattern is inconsistent and wandering, which only corroborates my claims.
    You think the vast majority of the human population consists of a bunch of insipid, mouth breathing ingrates, don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tater Typhoon View Post
    You think the vast majority of the human population consists of a bunch of insipid, mouth breathing ingrates, don't you?
    Well, yes. Of course, that is beside the point. :P
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    It doesn't escape my notice that the vast majority of posters who defend ESFPs with any semblance of reason are ENTPs.

    ENTPs have always struck me as very leftist by nature, and incapable of aligning themselves with constructive ideologies instead of stagnating egalitarianism.

    What does this tell us? It tells us that ENTPs are the poorest of the rationals when it comes to drawing inferences. Perhaps I should open a thread examining why ENTPs are the weakest NTs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    It doesn't escape my notice that the vast majority of posters who defend ESFPs with any semblance of reason are ENTPs.

    ENTPs have always struck me as very leftist by nature, and incapable of aligning themselves with constructive ideologies instead of stagnating egalitarianism.

    What does this tell us? It tells us that ENTPs are the poorest of the rationals when it comes to drawing inferences. Perhaps I should open a thread examining why ENTPs are the weakest NTs.
    Lol I just love Ni megalomania.

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    No, there is one ESFP I know quite well... The people around him nicknamed him 'Einstein' for his vast knowledge, intellectual capability and really fast talking. But he definitely is an ESFP. He knows how to get along with everyone and he understands people quite well.

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    Without an examination of the posts in this extensive thread, I can only offer my experiential analysis.

    My son is ESFP and extremely bright. It's more the choice of how he uses that in the world. If I had a dollar for all the times a teacher was thrilled at his displays of intelligence, yet lamented his rejection of doing book-work, I would have ... at least 50 dollars!

    My daughter is INTJ and has more real-world success, and is now excelling in university, but those just aren't priorities for my son. Despite the fact that academia appears to come easier to him, not her.

    It's not for lack of ability per se. And I admire his ability to live in the moment. Naturally we are all here to learn not only from each other, but from what we are given / what we lack.

    To assume all intelligence is derived from and expressed in the same way is preposterous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    It doesn't escape my notice that the vast majority of posters who defend ESFPs with any semblance of reason are ENTPs.

    ENTPs have always struck me as very leftist by nature, and incapable of aligning themselves with constructive ideologies instead of stagnating egalitarianism.

    What does this tell us? It tells us that ENTPs are the poorest of the rationals when it comes to drawing inferences. Perhaps I should open a thread examining why ENTPs are the weakest NTs.
    Create a thread about how INTJs are the poorest at relinquishing inferences in spite of contradictory information while you're at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    I don't really see how any of these factors make one "stupid." Recognizing patterns, such as in a conspiracy, is a characteristic of intelligence.
    Unless one overestimates the frequency of these patterns and thus erroneously believes there are conspiracies everywhere where there aren't. You know, the tin foil hat types? Believe it or not, Ni runs into inane nonsense when taken too far, just like any function.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    As for "prejudicial beliefs toward various demographic groups they dislike," well, that just strikes me as more of the same leftist nonsense. Humans are social animals that gravitate toward groups, which is why our society takes up the characteristics of the group, and not the individual. Discrimination against groups is perfectly natural.
    Wait--demographic prejudice is leftist now? Who are you kidding? Shall I start listing radical religious groups whose platforms are based entirely on hatred toward the demographics they dislike? And how virtually all of them are on the lunatic far right?

    Discrimination against individuals simply because they belong to a certain group is not perfectly natural.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    No, we don't all know a Dale Gribble in real life. Dale is a fictional character designed for comedic purposes, and an exaggerated one at that; Dale could easily be an FP and not an NT. Regardless, Dale is hardly stupid, only paranoid and delusional.
    Dale is quite clearly Ni dominant. If you don't know someone like that in real life, then lucky you. I dunno how this works in schizoid INTJ-supremacist land, but in real life a guy who's paranoid and delusional enough to believe a crack in his neighbor's driveway signifies that the Chinese have begun mass worldwide invasion (and yet somehow can't figure out after 12 years that his native American son was fathered by the native American man his wife has been cheating on him with for years) is a moron.

    You seem to think it can't be stupid just because it's Ni.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    ESFPs, on the other hand, have an entire web of traits that influence their intellectual abilities in a negative manner.
    Sure, when you judge "intellect" in terms of "things NTs are good at." I see you've ignored a large portion of my previous post, most notably the section where I mentioned the idea of multiple intelligences. If you erroneously define "intelligence" as "whatever NTs are good at", then of course you'll think other types are stupid by comparison.

    Unfortunately for you, intelligence is too multi-faceted to be measured on a one-dimensional linear scale.

    By the way, forum, I think we've found our resident Dale Gribble--complete with left-ophobia, INTJ supremacy, silly justifications for blatant prejudice, the opinion that ubiquitous belief in nonsensical conspiracy theories is a hallmark of great intelligence, and don't forget Nietzsche quote signature. (Nietzsche was a brilliant INTJ. Unfortunately, that doesn't make every idiot who sticks a Nietzsche quote in his signature brilliant too.)

    But don't worry about that--since you're an INTJ, I'm sure you're waaaay too smart for all of us inferior types anyway. You're much too busy proving that 9/11 was an inside job and debunking the moon landing, right?

    Ironically this guy doesn't seem to think he knows any Dale Gribbles in real life.
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