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    Question Darwin - The Dilemma

    Ok.
    Every source I check lists Charles Darwin as an unquestionable INTP.
    At the same time, Jung originally claimed that Darwin is a clear example of an Extroverted Thinking type. Wouldn't Jung know his own theory better than others?

    So what is he?

    INTP?
    IxTJ?
    ExTJ?

    Please back up your choice with specific reasoning.
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    I have not done a specific study of Darwin.

    Originally I had considered him more Te... (with an S focus) ... but when I read "Finding Darwin's God" as well as "The Blind Watchmaker" (I think this one also discussed Darwin's private life, although the other was far more extensive), I can understand where an INTP read comes from.

    One of the most intriguing aspects of Darwin is that he remained tortured about his own religious faith. He began as a theist but was aware that his theory could really put religion in a quandary... and the reason he stalled publishing for 17 years or so (he had his results around 1840 but did not publish until the mid/late 1850's) was because he did not want to destroy people's faiths and was afraid of causing conflict.

    His desire to avoid conflict and not interfere with other people's beliefs can be very INTP. As also was the fact that he could not deny the truth of the evidence he was finding in his many voyages among the islands. So he was rather stuck... Te is good at organizing the outer world into a way that fits one's inner desires/ideas. Darwin did not seem to do that. He took the evidence he found on the outside, then used it to develop his theory... even if he was uncomfortable with where his theory led.

    He eventually seemed to become more agnostic -- not really sure what he believed. (Any anecdotes about a deathbed conversion were fabricated.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkw View Post
    Ok.
    Every source I check lists Charles Darwin as an unquestionable INTP.
    At the same time, Jung originally claimed that Darwin is a clear example of an Extroverted Thinking type. Wouldn't Jung know his own theory better than others?

    So what is he?

    INTP?
    IxTJ?
    ExTJ?

    Please back up your choice with specific reasoning.
    Jung lists him as an extraverted thinking type. I'll get the quote soon! (I just read it)
    Anyway, I'll believe Jung for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe View Post
    Jung lists him as an extraverted thinking type. I'll get the quote soon! (I just read it)
    Anyway, I'll believe Jung for now.
    Every day the monk toiled in the garden. He threw away the rotten leaves, he pruned and watered the plants.
    One day he wrote a letter to Darwin.

    A bolder person would have knocked at Darwin's door.
    He would have expected Charlie to have the kitchen stove warm and the kettle ready.
    Nothing better than a nice cup of strong English tea to warm up the rainy day.

    I do not think he really expected to have an answer. He was not like Charlie.
    After all, he was an INTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I have not done a specific study of Darwin.

    Originally I had considered him more Te... (with an S focus) ... but when I read "Finding Darwin's God" as well as "The Blind Watchmaker" (I think this one also discussed Darwin's private life, although the other was far more extensive), I can understand where an INTP read comes from.

    One of the most intriguing aspects of Darwin is that he remained tortured about his own religious faith. He began as a theist but was aware that his theory could really put religion in a quandary... and the reason he stalled publishing for 17 years or so (he had his results around 1840 but did not publish until the mid/late 1850's) was because he did not want to destroy people's faiths and was afraid of causing conflict.

    His desire to avoid conflict and not interfere with other people's beliefs can be very INTP. As also was the fact that he could not deny the truth of the evidence he was finding in his many voyages among the islands. So he was rather stuck... Te is good at organizing the outer world into a way that fits one's inner desires/ideas. Darwin did not seem to do that. He took the evidence he found on the outside, then used it to develop his theory... even if he was uncomfortable with where his theory led.

    He eventually seemed to become more agnostic -- not really sure what he believed. (Any anecdotes about a deathbed conversion were fabricated.)
    I wonder if he was a methodical thinker.. a very intelligent ST of some type.. led to a powerful conclusion by a detailed analysis of the information he gathered.

    Yeah, I know, oddball possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkw View Post
    So what is he?

    INTP?
    IxTJ?
    ExTJ?

    Please back up your choice with specific reasoning.
    That's a trilemma.
    A criticism that can be brought against everything ought not to be brought against anything.

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    Keirsey lists him as INTP. Socionics also generally agrees that he was an INTp.

    (In socionics, Einstein was an ENTp.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Keirsey lists him as INTP. Socionics also generally agrees that he was an INTp.

    (In socionics, Einstein was an ENTp.)
    Kiersey Shmiersey. The one expert I don't trust at all to type people correctly. He thinks that Ghandi is an INFJ, Donald trump is an ESTP, Jung is an INFJ (give me a break), Nicola Tesla is an ENTP (Tesla always struck me as an extreme INTJ), Mozart is an ISFP (please!), Woody Allen is an ISTP (That would be convienient, but I always can't help seeing Woody Allen as an embarrasing example of ENFP).

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    I think he was an ISTP, err... no back up reasoning except that he reminds me of someone I know ^^ Not that I knew Darwin or anything =(
    Plus his interests - shooting ect. seem more S to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe View Post
    Kiersey Shmiersey. The one expert I don't trust at all to type people correctly. He thinks that Ghandi is an INFJ, Donald trump is an ESTP, Jung is an INFJ (give me a break), Nicola Tesla is an ENTP (Tesla always struck me as an extreme INTJ), Mozart is an ISFP (please!), Woody Allen is an ISTP (That would be convienient, but I always can't help seeing Woody Allen as an embarrasing example of ENFP).
    I think Mozart was an ENxP. Most of Keirsey's ISFPs are actually more likely ENxPs.

    Woody Allen is probably ENTP.

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