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    Abraham: ENFJ, 1w2 sx/so, ESFp-Fi
    Moses: ENFJ, 1w2 so/sp, ESFp-Fi
    Jesus: INFJ, 1w2 so/sx, ISFj-Fi
    Mohammed: ENTJ, 1w2 sx/sp, ESTp-Se
    Siddharta Gautama: INFJ, 1w9 so/sx, INTp-Ni
    Laozi: INFP, 9w1 so/sx, INTp-Ni
    Confucius: ENFP, 1w9 so/sp, ENFj-Ni
    Aleister Crowley: INTP, 4w5 sx/sp, INFp-Fe
    Helena Blavatsky: INFP, 1w2 sx/so, INTp-Ni
    Anton LaVey: ISTP, 8w7 sp/sx, ESTp-Se
    Michael Aquino: INTJ, 8w9 sx/sp, INFp-Ni
    Ayn Rand: INTJ, 1w2 sx/sp, INTp-Te
    L. Ron Hubbard: Wintastic ENTP, 8w9 sp/sx, ENFj-Ni
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    Jesus was INFJ I agree. But I think Buddha was NP. I'd even say possibly ENFP. But he had Ti in there too... I don't know most of the others too well.

    I think Jesus is a classic example of how the HOW can make all the difference. He essentially thought a lot of the same things as Buddha, but he went about convincing people in en entirely different manner. Typical Ni megalomania I say :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Aleister Crowley: INTP, 4w5 sx/sp, INFp-Fe
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    I have a hard time thinking of an INTP majoring in occult and mysticism. My guess is probably NiFeTi, which can only mean INFJ.

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    Joseph Ratzinger: INTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Joseph Ratzinger: INTP.
    I have a hard time of thinking INTP in the religious side. Your reasons?

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    It's a rather wild guess based on his career as a professor and writer. He has written hundreds of books on theology. Apart from his subject, he is the archetypical scholar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    I have a hard time thinking of an INTP majoring in occult and mysticism.
    He was clearly Ne using -- his beliefs are a synthesis of magickal traditions from various sources - clandestine (Memphis-Misraim) Freemasonry, the Golden Dawn, the Ordo Templi Orientis (the latter two of which he took over), Egyptian paganism, etc. That, and his beliefs were all based on an axiom-based logical system of analysis of reality, based on "eras" (Era of Kali, Era of Horus, etc); not on personal beliefs or ethics.

    He was an INTP. He was just an INTP gone cuckoo, kind of like the Time Cube guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Joseph Ratzinger: INTP.
    I meant religious and cult founders. Sorry for the confusion.
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    I kind of think Buddha is a Ti type actually. An INTP.. or even ISTP. At least, I think Buddhism is more Ti than Fi or Fe. More emphasis on detachment and self-containment, warnings against what extent you define yourself by or get involved with others. The path to enlightenment has little to do with other people (except maybe in Mahayana Buddhism..).

    Either that, or he just discovered to emphasize something very Ti like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I kind of think Buddha is a Ti type actually. An INTP.. or even ISTP. At least, I think Buddhism is more Ti than Fi or Fe. More emphasis on detachment and self-containment, warnings against what extent you define yourself by or get involved with others. The path to enlightenment has little to do with other people (except maybe in Mahayana Buddhism..).

    Either that, or he just discovered to emphasize something very Ti like.
    Buddha had a life before he became "enlightened". Up until he was 29 he lived a normal prince's life. Lots of indulgence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moiety View Post
    Buddha had a life before he became "enlightened". Up until he was 29 he lived a normal prince's life. Lots of indulgence.
    True enough. But to add to that, he was a bottom up type of thinker too, so maybe not even INTP. He could have been a sensor for all I know. His curiosity, investigation, and path to discovery seemed to take small steps. Starting first with exploring the city around him and encountering suffering, and then running off, joining different ascetic groups to figure out his path (and finding them all lacking).

    Either way, a lot of foundational principles "as the Buddha".. as we come to know him.. seem kind of Ti. If anything, Buddhism is about problem solving (the problem of suffering). In one sense, it's not exactly people oriented... other than being kind enough to want to offer up his answer. He didn't stew over things in a good vs evil Fi way, and then venture out to stop injustice. And he was too detached and emphasized uninvolvement to be Fe. The idea that everyone is responsible for their own enlightentment - and teaching how to get there, complete with bullet points on cause and effect and eightfold path to rid oneself of those causes seemed like a Ti sort of thing.

    That said, I mentioned Mahayana Buddhism stresses something different (it teaches that enlightenment is ultimately for the sake of others.. and that the enlightened can forgo Nirvana and be reincarnated back as a Bodhisattva, in order to guide people).. as well as placing some importance on institutions.. but older writings didn't have this stronger social element to it.

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