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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post
    I'm not sure about Edward Cullen, but I would actually lean towards Bella being the 4w5.
    I think she's 6w5 Sp/Sx.
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    I would say she's a 4 too. I actually watched Eclipse It had some funny moments though..

    Bella Swan: This wasn't a choice between you and Jacob. It was between who I should be and who I am. I've always felt out of step. Like literally stumbling through my life. I've never felt normal, because I'm not normal, and I don't wanna be. I've had to face death and loss and pain in your world, but I've also never felt stronger, like more real, more myself, because it's my world too. It's where I belong.
    Edward Cullen: So it's not just about me?
    Bella Swan: No.
    [pause]
    Bella Swan: Sorry...


    If you type Lydia a 4, then Bella's almost the same. One's kind of negative, but both take pride in their estrangement, and even further symbolize it by identifying with ghosts and vampires. I don't know what to say about you typing him a 3 either. The Achiever? All he wants to achieve is love and be one of the good guys.. that's not 3. I'm not sure what he is (more of a 6 than she is), but 3's are ambitious in a career/skill oriented sense, and try to live up to some external standard in one way or another - yet lose touch with what their personal needs are. It's more akin to someone who needs to reach the top of a corporate ladder or get the best grades or a competitive athlete who pushes themselves for admiration or popularity from others it produces. Not exactly Edward Cullen territory.. it'd be some random football star quarterback in their highschool, or the class president, who goes home at nights worried that their parents will shut them out if they aren't the best of the best. Stephanie Meyers didn't write a character like that, but we can assume that every highschool has a few.

    The problem is that, in the headlong rush to achieve whatever they believe will make them more valuable, Threes can become so alienated from themselves that they no longer know what they truly want, or what their real feelings or interests are. In this state, they are easy prey to self–deception, deceit, and falseness of all kinds. Thus, the deeper problem is that their search for a way to be valued increasingly takes them further away from their own Essential Self with its core of real value. From their earliest years, as Threes become dependent on receiving attention from others and in pursuing the values that others reward, they gradually lose touch with themselves. Step by step, their own inner core, their “heart’s desire,” is left behind until they no longer recognize it.

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    I think Oscar Benton from Polanski's Bitter Moon is a pretty good example of an unhealthy 4w5. The guy lives his life in accordance to his passions, but eventually becomes a devious cynic trapped in a downright pathological relationship. Ouch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I would say she's a 4 too. I actually watched Eclipse It had some funny moments though..

    Bella Swan: This wasn't a choice between you and Jacob. It was between who I should be and who I am. I've always felt out of step. Like literally stumbling through my life. I've never felt normal, because I'm not normal, and I don't wanna be. I've had to face death and loss and pain in your world, but I've also never felt stronger, like more real, more myself, because it's my world too. It's where I belong.
    Edward Cullen: So it's not just about me?
    Bella Swan: No.
    [pause]
    Bella Swan: Sorry...
    I just watched Twilight this week for the first time... and though Kristen Stewart kind of makes me cringe at times, I really enjoyed Bella's character. She's a bit of a damsel at times, but I really love the way the character thinks. Very, very, ISFP 4w5... and very SX. I'd lean towards INFP with Edward, though the enneagram... not sure. Not familiar enough with enneagram yet.


    Other 4w5's....
    Anais Nin. INFP
    Diane Arbus. ISFP
    "I don't know a perfect person.
    I only know flawed people who are still worth loving."
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    Just googled and found this list:

    Alan Watts
    Alan Rickman
    Alanis Morrisette
    Albert Camus
    Ally Sheedy
    Anais Nin
    Angelina Jolie
    Anne Rice
    Arthur Rimbaud
    August Strindberg
    Bette Davis
    Billie Holiday
    Bjork
    Blanche DuBois
    Bob Dylan
    Cate Blanchette
    Charles Baudelaire
    Cheryl Crow
    Claude Monet
    D.H. Lawrence
    Diane Arbus
    Dusty Springfield
    E.M. Forster
    Edgar Allan Poe
    Edith Piaf
    Eric Clapton
    Frederick Chopin
    Fyodor Dostoyevsky
    Gary Oldman
    Gene Wilder
    Gustav Mahler
    Hermann Hesse
    Ingmar Bergman
    J.D. Salinger
    Jack Keroua
    James Dean
    Janis Joplin
    Jeremy Irons
    Jewel
    Jim Morrison
    John Malkovich
    Johnny Depp
    Joni Mitchell
    Judy Garland
    Kate Bush
    Kate Winslet
    Laurence Olivier
    Liam Neeson,
    Marcel Proust
    Maria Callas
    Marilyn Manson
    Martha Graham
    Michael Jackson
    Michaelangelo
    Morrissey
    Neil Diamond
    Nick Nolte
    Nicolas Cage
    Orson Welles
    Oscar Wilde
    Paul Simon
    Peter Tchaikovsky
    Prince
    Prince Charles
    Rudolf Nureyev
    Sarah MacLachlan
    Saul Steinberg
    Soren Kierkegaard
    Stevie Nicks
    Tennessee Williams
    Prince (or The Artist Formerly Known as Prince)
    Vincent Van Gogh
    Virginia Woolf
    Walt Whitman
    William Blake
    William Faulkner
    Winona Ryder
    Yukio Mishima
    However, Angelina Jolie is soooo ISTP and so from my understanding, not a 4.


    Hmm... I was just browsing an INFP list and wondered: Would Albert Camus make the 4w5 list? Tim Burton? Fiona Apple? Jake Gyllenhal?
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    I only know flawed people who are still worth loving."
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    I think Tim is ENFP, but yeah, probably a 4.

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    A reiterating common bond exists in all their ancestral lines.

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    Alan Watts
    Alan Rickman
    Alanis Morrisette
    Albert Camus
    Ally Sheedy
    Anais Nin
    Angelina Jolie
    Anne Rice
    Arthur Rimbaud
    August Strindberg
    Bette Davis
    Billie Holiday
    Bjork
    Blanche DuBois
    Bob Dylan
    Cate Blanchette
    Charles Baudelaire
    Cheryl Crow
    Claude Monet
    D.H. Lawrence
    Diane Arbus
    Dusty Springfield
    E.M. Forster
    Edgar Allan Poe
    Edith Piaf
    Eric Clapton
    Frederick Chopin
    Fyodor Dostoyevsky
    Gary Oldman
    Gene Wilder
    Gustav Mahler
    Hermann Hesse
    Ingmar Bergman
    J.D. Salinger
    Jack Keroua
    James Dean
    Janis Joplin
    Jeremy Irons
    Jewel
    Jim Morrison
    John Malkovich
    Johnny Depp
    Joni Mitchell
    Judy Garland
    Kate Bush
    Kate Winslet
    Laurence Olivier
    Liam Neeson,
    Marcel Proust
    Maria Callas
    Marilyn Manson
    Martha Graham
    Michael Jackson
    Michaelangelo
    Morrissey
    Neil Diamond
    Nick Nolte
    Nicolas Cage
    Orson Welles
    Oscar Wilde
    Paul Simon
    Peter Tchaikovsky
    Prince
    Prince Charles
    Rudolf Nureyev
    Sarah MacLachlan
    Saul Steinberg
    Soren Kierkegaard
    Stevie Nicks
    Tennessee Williams
    Prince (or The Artist Formerly Known as Prince)
    Vincent Van Gogh
    Virginia Woolf
    Walt Whitman
    William Blake
    William Faulkner
    Winona Ryder
    Yukio Mishima
    Angelina Jolie: 6w7
    Bette Davis: 8w7
    Billie Holliday: 3w4
    Björk: 5w4
    Sheryl Crow: 9w8
    Edith Piaf: 4w3
    Jack Kerouac: 6w5
    Janis Joplin: 4w3
    Jim Morrison: 5w4
    Johnny Depp: 4w3
    Judy Garland: 4w3
    Kate Winslett: 7w8
    Maria Callas: 4w3
    Michael Jackson: 4w3
    Prince: 4w3
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    "I don't believe in guilt, I only believe in living on impulses"

    "Stereotypes about personality and gender turn out to be fairly accurate: ... On the binary Myers-Briggs measure, the thinking-feeling breakdown is about 30/70 for women versus 60/40 for men." ~ Bryan Caplan

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