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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Wibble wibble? Someone sore and can't deal with being wrong?
    You it seems, since you started out agreeing with me but now it has become desperately important to you to feebly try to score 'points' in order to restore your self-esteem and try to assert yourself over me. It's pathetic. But let me give you a tip - you can't really win here, because there are no right or wrongs, only opinion. And in the opinion of the fella who wrote the fucking script - it's misogynistic. That, I confess, was a unexpected gift for me. Case closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    You it seems. Which is why it has become so important to you to feebly try to score 'points' in order to restore your self-esteem and try to assert yourself over me. It's pathetic. But let me give you a tip - you can't really win here, because there are no right or wrongs, only opinion. And in the opinion of the fella who wrote the fucking script - it's misogynistic. That, I confess, was a unexpected gift for me. Case closed.
    A) Please provide some realistic reason why the facebook movie should be altered to include something which is more false (not based upon your own individual moral narrative) or everything you have presented in this thread would appear to be nothing more than a weak and logically false appeal to motive.

    Does not apply, if it is misogynist or not does not appear to make the movie 'bad'. Does not provide reason to alter the script and lie. Therefore still an appeal to motive. Please provide us with a famous 'female founder' of facebook who was killed and hidden under the floorboards you seem to complain isn't in this movie.

    B) Even better, provide us proof that the dramatisation should not be viewed as apparently you are claiming that somehow viewing misogyny turns one into a misogynist? How bizarre.

    Does not apply.

    /checks watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Does light bend around you? This is incredibly dense.

    Do you think it's appropriate to rely on the testimony of a "very angry and deeply misogynistic group of people" as to the competence of the women around at the time?
    I'll write it in logical steps for you:

    1) Group of misogynistic men
    2) Shut out competent women
    3) No competent women around

    The fact that the two most "competent" women (with nice bookended "asshole" quotes) had to be invented by Sorkin should be telling. One is a lawyer that presumably doesn't exist. The other is a supposed ex whom we know nothing about from real life sources (other than she's a "bitch") and Sorkin gives her one of the best lines in the movie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    The worst thing people have to say is that it's a boring and unoriginal plot idea. No one has so much as hinted at the misogynistic tone of the movie. According to you, they're just a bunch of essentially good guys, doing what comes naturally.
    I don't think they're good guys. I meant in my mini-review that relating to each other, no one was the bad guy. I understood why he forced out his friend. I don't think they'd be good people to know or anything. Charles Foster Kane was fascinating, but I wouldn't be his friend either.

    As far as the misogyny, you're right. It's only blatant at the beginning, and subtle the rest of the time. Doesn't make the movie a bad movie though. I've seen others write about it and have read plenty about it, but just haven't written about it myself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    It's not exactly subtle. That was why I was wondering about the accuracy, since he's such a jackass in the film. It's probably not pointed out because it's just obvious.

    I interpreted it as the characters surrounding themselves with vapid girls because they didn't want "real" women and/or "real" women didn't want to be around them because they're douchebags (which seems especially likely). So in that microenvironment, it does seem likely that dumbass groupies would be the only women around them (assuming the film's accuracy, which is of course debated).
    That was my take on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    I don't think they're good guys. I meant in my mini-review that relating to each other, no one was the bad guy. I understood why he forced out his friend. I don't think they'd be good people to know or anything. Charles Foster Kane was fascinating, but I wouldn't be his friend either.

    As far as the misogyny, you're right. It's only blatant at the beginning, and subtle the rest of the time. Doesn't make the movie a bad movie though. I've seen others write about it and have read plenty about it, but just haven't written about it myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle, little wormey. Just so long as you manage to convince yourself.
    Convince myself of what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle, little wormey. Just so long as you manage to convince yourself.
    You come off as assuming much about others, while at the same time never giving them the benefit of doubt. Competence is relative to the occasion, and at the time Facebook was made, perhaps there weren't any women conniving and ruthless and socially inept and interested into computers enough to be a major part of the development of Facebook. This potential fact doesn't mean that there weren't successful intelligent women flooding the campus, just that they weren't "competent" in the right areas.

    There are many successful women in my immediate family, and yet all of them submit to their husbands for whatever reason. My stepmother is head of neurosurgery at Standford, my dad is a stay at home dad, and yet she submits to him when it comes to making decisions. More than that, she plays stupid and asks for his help with things. My aunt and uncle are lawyers, one graduated from Harvard the other from USC, and yet my aunt now stays at home and lives the life of housewife of LA, submitting to the decisions of her husband.

    The motives of these women for doing the things that they do is unclear to me, but it does present an image of inferiority to men. I am not saying that they are in fact inferior, only that they seem to play that way to get what they want. Even my girlfriend, who has a degree in linguistics and is arguably quite intelligent, seems to play the damsel in distress with me on a regular basis (much to my chagrin... Do it for yourself and get the fuck out of my face!).

    Perhaps misogyny is a byproduct of this dynamic between men and women?

    I'm just opening up the discussion, not attempting to make any declarative statement about the nature of men and women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    You come off as assuming much about others, while at the same time never giving them the benefit of doubt. Competence is relative to the occasion, and at the time Facebook was made, perhaps there weren't any women conniving and ruthless and socially inept and interested into computers enough to be a major part of the development of Facebook. This potential fact doesn't mean that there weren't successful intelligent women flooding the campus, just that they weren't "competent" in the right areas.
    LOL. And you come off as someone who never knows what the fuck you're talking about. But thanks for proving my point. That is indeed what most ignorant people who see the movie will assume. And they'd be wrong. Go do some research.
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    I haven't actually seen the movie, I'm just here to bother you. I'd like to think of myself as a punching bag that throws itself in between you and the other members who have better things to do with their lives than bicker. Why don't you throw me some of the articles you've used in your research, to get me up to speed.

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    No, but I've heard of a masochist.
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