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    Can't believe I never typed this. Or did I? No, I don't think so.

    Sheldon - INTP or possibly ISTJ, defintely has Aspergers and OCD
    Leonard - INTP
    Raj - XNXP - Sometimes he seems to have a lot of Fi, doing what he feels like regardless of logic, and sometimes he's more logical. Sometimes he seems more extroverted and Ne dominant, despite being shy. He often thinks of weird ideas.
    Wolowitz - EXTP, probably ESTP. Total whore and sensing addict, but also gets excited about the ideas in the group.
    Penny - ESFP
    Leslie Winkle - INTJ
    Leonards mum and Sheldon's girlfriend (aren't they pretty much the same person?) - INTX
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    what makes you think sheldon is an intp? only thing common with intp i see in him is an obsession of logical correctness, but other types can do that also. and i think his obsession to logical correctness comes from being so obsessed with organizing(strong J things) and being so obsessed with logic that he cannot stand when he sees logical incorrectness in external world and he needs to kind of organize it. this sounds like obsessive Te, instead Ti thing, even tho it looks quite similar on the surface.

    his obsession to do things the same way over and over again points out to Si, intps rarely has this strong Si.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    what makes you think sheldon is an intp? only thing common with intp i see in him is an obsession of logical correctness, but other types can do that also. and i think his obsession to logical correctness comes from being so obsessed with organizing(strong J things) and being so obsessed with logic that he cannot stand when he sees logical incorrectness in external world and he needs to kind of organize it. this sounds like obsessive Te, instead Ti thing, even tho it looks quite similar on the surface.
    Sheldon is more of an internal organiser and theoriser than an external organiser (Doesn't sound right, but just let me explain). Firstly, I will actually use his osession with logic as an argument, because that's distinctly Ti, and I'm pretty sure Si Te isn't likely to do it to such an extreme. Ti-Si can look like Te sometimes. His organisation is more of Si compulsion (with the OCD) than Te organisation. Like here:

    Leonard: What are you doing?
    Sheldon: Every Saturday since we’ve lived in this apartment, I have awakened at 6:15, poured myself a bowl of cereal, added a quarter-cup of 2% milk, sat on this end of this couch, turned on BBC America, and watched Doctor Who.
    Leonard: Penny’s still sleeping.
    Sheldon: Every Saturday since we’ve lived in this apartment…
    And his obsessions never have anything to do with how much sense they make in the external world. In fact he engages in a lot of work/hobbies/interests that a Te user would find pointless, such as his collecting of comic books and his desire to learn every random and trivial piece of information that normally has no practical value (see any one of his monologues on some piece of trivia that nobody knows or cares about). There's also that Ne-Fe desire to share everything he knows with everyone as if it's helping them. He is constantly searching for new knowledge and experimenting. He got yellowcake uranium confiscated from him by the police when he was 11 because he was trying to build a centrifuge in a shed. He works in theoretical physics (notice the theoretical) where he uses Ne to think abstractly and think of new ideas and his Ti to understand and refine them. You can see this abstractness with his high level of interest in theoretical concepts such as Schroedinger's cat. A Te auxilliary, particularly not an intuitor, would find that kind of thing pointlessly theoretical and metaphorical.

    Hmm... That's enough for now. Let me know if you have other problems with it.


    EDIT: Just been going through some quotes. Almost every single one of them is riddled with Ti and occasionally Si and Ne.
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    Are you saying there are no INTJ theoretical physicists?

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    i wouldnt call him ocd, imo he is just obsessed with the external world being organized to the extreme(bacteria away from hands etc), he does show signs of little ocd in this obsession of arranging the external world. ocd is for example when you wash your hands 10 times because you get irrational thoughts about what the bacteria does to you. sheldon doesent seem to have this kind of thoughts, he is just taking his obsession for logical correctness/arranging in the external world so far that it reminds of ocd.

    What do you base this Si-Ti looking like Te argument on? Its Ne + Ti or Se + Ti that might look like Te. And Si + Te looks like sheldon.

    You know intj can also show the same kind of obsessions that sheldon has about organizing. this suggests that his behavior comes more from Te rather than from Ti.

    that discussion that you quoted with leonard doesent show any signs of sheldon being an intp, its just showing his obsession to Si(that intps doesent really have since Si is their tertiary function). leonard is being the intp in that conversation.

    And his obsessions never have anything to do with how much sense they make in the external world.
    His logical obsessions always do imo, but his obsession with Si thing naturally doesent. suggests to stj

    In fact he engages in a lot of work/hobbies/interests that a Te user would find pointless, such as his collecting of comic books and his desire to learn every random and trivial piece of information that normally has no practical value (see any one of his monologues on some piece of trivia that nobody knows or cares about)
    collecting comic books has nothing to do with functions, comics are his passion so he collects them. if collecting things has something to do with functions, it would be Si. Te users have the desire to learn everything, Ti users only care about the important things. this suggests again to stj

    There's also that Ne-Fe desire to share everything he knows with everyone as if it's helping them.
    are you sure that he isnt just taking his obsession of organizing the external world so far that he wants other people to work efficiently, because its annoying him if something in the external world isnt functioning "correctly"?

    He is constantly searching for new knowledge and experimenting.
    Te + estj would have tert Ne

    He works in theoretical physics (notice the theoretical) where he uses Ne to think abstractly and think of new ideas and his Ti to understand and refine them. You can see this abstractness with his high level of interest in theoretical concepts such as Schroedinger's cat. A Te auxilliary, particularly not an intuitor, would find that kind of thing pointlessly theoretical and metaphorical.
    You dont have to use Ne as main P function to work in theoretical physics. estj would have tert Ne and that would help enough. You can use your Te + Si to get innovative ideas if you are trying to figure out something unknown.

    Schroedinger's cat doesent prove anything about him being an intp. you need to know this kind of things if you are working in his field. that schroedinger's cat thing might come from Si if he is comparing learned thing to a problem in front of you.

    my friend who is the biggest big bang theory fan and ocd called me while i was writing this and i asked what he thinks if sheldon is ocd or obsessed with arranging the external world by logic and obsessed doing the things the same way over and over again. and he said that he does show little signs of ocd(like that time when he was knocking on pennys door, like knock knock penny, knock knock penny, knock knock penny and when penny did the same instead of opening sheldon had to continue and some other things like that) and is obsessed of arranging the external world and doing things the same way all the time. what you describe as ocd, is not ocd, its just obsession of arranging the external world and doing things the same way over and over again.

    he could just as well be an intj or entj, since Te + Ni can look quite similar to Si obsession(figuring out the most effective way of doing something(Te) + collecting it using Ni).
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    i wouldnt call him ocd, imo he is just obsessed with the external world being organized to the extreme(bacteria away from hands etc), he does show signs of little ocd in this obsession of arranging the external world. ocd is for example when you wash your hands 10 times because you get irrational thoughts about what the bacteria does to you. sheldon doesent seem to have this kind of thoughts, he is just taking his obsession for logical correctness/arranging in the external world so far that it reminds of ocd.

    What do you base this Si-Ti looking like Te argument on? Its Ne + Ti or Se + Ti that might look like Te. And Si + Te looks like sheldon.

    You know intj can also show the same kind of obsessions that sheldon has about organizing. this suggests that his behavior comes more from Te rather than from Ti.

    that discussion that you quoted with leonard doesent show any signs of sheldon being an intp, its just showing his obsession to Si(that intps doesent really have since Si is their tertiary function). leonard is being the intp in that conversation.
    I didn't say that that alone meant he was INTP. I was showing that the way he does things is more due to his Si than Te. It is a reliance on "safe" methods that are consistent. When combined with Ti, desiring logical accuracy, this can mimic Te by creating logically structured behavioural patterns that make sense and seem very important to the user. This is not 'normal' for INTPs, but he has a rather strong Si. Also, he may not have a particularly strong case of OCD, but he has it to a certain extent.


    collecting comic books has nothing to do with functions, comics are his passion so he collects them. if collecting things has something to do with functions, it would be Si. Te users have the desire to learn everything, Ti users only care about the important things. this suggests again to stj
    No, that's not true at all. Te users like to know what is USEFUL to whatever they need to do. He's an experimental physicist. Why does he need to know the origins of the fork? Ti users place importance on information and concepts that appeal to them from a logical or technical standpoint. Ti + Ne is naturally very curious, and NTPs will often spend a lot of time simply learning for the sake of learning, rather than to achieve some recognisable goal. Sheldon just likes to KNOW things. He has no intention to build a bridge but probably knows exactly how to do it. The comic book example was only a simple one, and not my main argument.

    are you sure that he isnt just taking his obsession of organizing the external world so far that he wants other people to work efficiently, because its annoying him if something in the external world isnt functioning "correctly"?
    Pretty sure. He seems to care very little about what other people do. He is not normally very directive, simply recieving information from others and commenting on it, and then giving exhaustive lectures of his knowledge. His main desire in influencing people seems to be to make them smarter, but not even in a practical sense.



    Te + estj would have tert Ne
    You dont have to use Ne as main P function to work in theoretical physics. estj would have tert Ne and that would help enough. You can use your Te + Si to get innovative ideas if you are trying to figure out something unknown.
    No, but it helps and it is a rather unlikely area for them to go into. An ISTJ would be unlikely to see much point in spending the whole day staring at a board trying to pinpoint a logical error (Ti again).

    Schroedinger's cat doesent prove anything about him being an intp. you need to know this kind of things if you are working in his field. that schroedinger's cat thing might come from Si if he is comparing learned thing to a problem in front of you.
    No, that would come mainly from Ne. The way Sheldon speaks so often in metaphor and theoretical ideas is very Ti-Ne. If he were a Te user, why wouldn't he just tell Penny what to do. Why bother with the complex metaphor? He shows SOOO much Ti and Ne in everything he says. Logical implications, abstract trains of thought, specific definitions, useless information, deductive reasoning, metaphor, it's all overflowing! Compare it to Te, where he is... organised in his daily schedule.

    what you describe as ocd, is not ocd, its just obsession of arranging the external world and doing things the same way over and over again.
    You know what OCD stands for, don't you?

    he could just as well be an intj or entj, since Te + Ni can look quite similar to Si obsession(figuring out the most effective way of doing something(Te) + collecting it using Ni).
    He certainly does not focus on the most effective way of doing something. He does things that way because it's become consistent habit. Te is practical, Ni is somewhat practical. Sheldon Cooper is theoretical.
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    you seem to look at functions purely on what some website states from them instead of looking at real life examples and reasons behind the real life examples. Te users dont only seek information on whats useful, my intj friend is interested on all kinds of useless information, like dark matter, black holes, gravitational forces and pretty much every science thing. Ti is more interested on how things work, instead of just collecting information. collecting information is food for Pi function(food supply comes from Je(with Te it means collecting facts from external sources)), trying to figure things out is food for Ji(food supply comes from Pe(with Ne it means trying to see the big picture)).

    Te user might see a point of looking at whiteboard all day and trying to fit the known information to hypothetical information. this is a fine example where you are going wrong with you arguments. you try to fit sheldon into intp category by assuming that he is trying to pin point a logical inconsistency on the board, while he might as well trying to fit hypothetical facts into known facts by calculating. you are doing the same thing on pretty much all arguments(that is when you arent just using false information on functions and trying to fit sheldon into intp category like that).

    sheldon has no understanding at things like irony or sarcasm, he cant even recognize if a person is in pain or sad by looking at him. former suggests really strongly to Te + nonexistent Ne and latter for nonexistent Fe and really low Fi. this would suggest him being an estj

    metaphors can come from tert Ne

    You know what OCD stands for, don't you?
    yes. you do know how thinking behind the ocd works, right?

    P function isnt practical at all, it only gathers information. Ne would try to gather all different possibilities and constantly seek new ways of doing thing(this is why P(in type) is translated into spontaneous in finnish). If Ne is stronger than Si on a person, the person would have no problem of using the new ways over the old ways. If Si is the stronger P function, the person would get stuck into doing things the old way.

    He certainly does not focus on the most effective way of doing something.
    are you sure that this statement isnt just one of your false assumptions?





    one thing you should remember when discussing about types of fictional characters is that they are fictional and the person who invented the character most likely knows nothing about mbti and is just trying to build a funny character. and when discussing some fictional characters type, its all about what type is the character closest. yes sheldon might show some signs of an intp, but is you look at the big picture you will see a Te user.
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    Don't really have time to get into the discussion at the moment, but I'd like to offer one clarification: Sheldon most likely has OCPD, not OCD. Look superficially similar (for certain kinds of OCD), but two different conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerithria View Post
    Don't really have time to get into the discussion at the moment, but I'd like to offer one clarification: Sheldon most likely has OCPD, not OCD. Look superficially similar (for certain kinds of OCD), but two different conditions.
    true, and ocpd is like the medical term for xxtj taking it to the limits
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    you seem to look at functions purely on what some website states from them instead of looking at real life examples and reasons behind the real life examples. Te users dont only seek information on whats useful, my intj friend is interested on all kinds of useless information, like dark matter, black holes, gravitational forces and pretty much every science thing. Ti is more interested on how things work, instead of just collecting information. collecting information is food for Pi function(food supply comes from Je(with Te it means collecting facts from external sources)), trying to figure things out is food for Ji(food supply comes from Pe(with Ne it means trying to see the big picture)).
    I don't see how you can do one without the other when typing fictional characters. If someone is acting in correspondance with a function definition, then they are using that function (or on some occasions, a combnation of functions that appears similar to it), as a definition is just what something is. My understanding of the functions is probably not entirely perfect, but I have got them from a variety of sources and discussions. You can't look for a real life example of something that you don't know what is. It is not to say that everything a Te user knows has practical value, but they do not see information as an end in itself, like Sheldon does. Ti DOES look for information as long as it finds it interesting. Te is objective reasoning, taking things in mostly on their practical value and forming connections between observable evidence. Ti is subjective reasoning, and therefore makes it's own assertions on what is important to know, and values theoretical deduction over observable fact. Therefore when the INTP has the Ti judging value and the Si wanting to memorise information, they often become enormous banks of knowledge, because they find something subjectively appealing. In fact, it's something INTPs are well known for. Ti-Ne wants truth, accuracy, ideas, information. Here is one example of subjective logic.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prafMmD_mx8 - Here he makes a deduction based on logic, but does not feel any need to verify it with evidence. He has 100% confidence that he is right. Even a sensible Ti user would have enough practicality to know you can't make that assumption, and in fact Raj does this, while Sheldon is simply happy with his theory and confident that his deductions have been correct because it is logically likely. You still haven't explained why an Si user would be so interested in complex theory and hypothetical situations, and do complex scientific experiments. Remember when they were discussing how Superman cleans his suit? In such situations as this he even manages to avoid the need for certain conventional logic, diving into a theoretical world where certain parameters are altered and redefined from the reality yet it is still defined by logic and the logical implications of everything. He doesn't do this sort of theory for any reason. He just does it BECAUSEHE LIKES IT.

    Te user might see a point of looking at whiteboard all day and trying to fit the known information to hypothetical information. this is a fine example where you are going wrong with you arguments. you try to fit sheldon into intp category by assuming that he is trying to pin point a logical inconsistency on the board, while he might as well trying to fit hypothetical facts into known facts by calculating. you are doing the same thing on pretty much all arguments(that is when you arent just using false information on functions and trying to fit sheldon into intp category like that).
    I'm not trying to fit him in. I think he fits in much better and I'm trying to prove it. And yes, it is possible for a Te user to do this, but seems much more of a Ti Ne sort of thing.

    sheldon has no understanding at things like irony or sarcasm, he cant even recognize if a person is in pain or sad by looking at him. former suggests really strongly to Te + nonexistent Ne and latter for nonexistent Fe and really low Fi. this would suggest him being an estj

    metaphors can come from tert Ne
    Okay, so now he's an ESTJ and not ISTJ? Also, not all INTPs can notice sarcasm. We only have inferior Fe, no Se, as well as Ti and Si, and thus we are often oblivious to things around us. It should be pointed out that Sheldon DOES understand sarcasm as a theoretical concept, but is very inadept at noticing when it is used.

    yes. you do know how thinking behind the ocd works, right?
    I have been taught that OCD is a compulsion to engage repeatedly in unnecessary and pointless behaviour on a regular basis and they can not feel comfortable if they don't. I apologise if I have been taught wrong, though.

    P function isnt practical at all, it only gathers information. Ne would try to gather all different possibilities and constantly seek new ways of doing thing(this is why P(in type) is translated into spontaneous in finnish). If Ne is stronger than Si on a person, the person would have no problem of using the new ways over the old ways. If Si is the stronger P function, the person would get stuck into doing things the old way.
    That's not necessarily true all the time, and in INTPs the Ti is in control of the Ne, and is thus more cautious. Also, I've said Sheldon probably has strong Si. But I've also said it's not unknown for him to experiment simply out of curiousity.

    are you sure that this statement isnt just one of your false assumptions?



    In a way that is "the most effective way of doing something" I'll admit, but in other ways it is really rather impractical, at least in the first one, as it's a lot of effort for little reward. In both cases though, it is merely for his own comfort and ideal sensory experiences which strikes me as Se at least as much as Te (though that doesn't play a terribly large role as neither types under discussion have Se and he shows little of it elsewhere).

    one thing you should remember when discussing about types of fictional characters is that they are fictional and the person who invented the character most likely knows nothing about mbti and is just trying to build a funny character. and when discussing some fictional characters type, its all about what type is the character closest. yes sheldon might show some signs of an intp, but is you look at the big picture you will see a Te user.
    On the first statement, I agree. He is fictional, not always entirely consistent and if he were real, I expect he would have a rather unusual function order score, which is probably why he is what most would deem "Unhealthy". He is unlikely to fit perfectly cleanly into any type. I also agree on the second statement. However, I disagree on the third. I think he shows some SURFACE signs of a Te user such as organisation of his external world, some extent of relying on observable knowledge and... (What else was there?), but if you look deeper you can see he has more traits in common with Ti-Ne users such as a desire for information and ideas for their own sake, a strict conformity to rigid logic, valueing his opinions more because he has reached them through logical deduction even if he lacks observable evidence, focusing on theoretcal topics etc.
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