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    Any characters that coincidentally fall into shadow behavior?


    Commodus-ENTJ/ISFP
    Sarah Connor-ISFP/ENTJ
    Tony Soprano - ESTJ/INFP
    Sweeney Todd-INFP/ESTJ
    Smeagol/Gollum - ESFP/INTJ
    Hannibal Lector - INTJ/ESFP (looks like inferior Se to me )
    Anakin Skywalker-ENFP/ISTJ
    General Ripper-ISTJ/ENFP
    Holden Caulfield - INTP/ESFJ
    Angel/Angelus-INFJ/ESTP?

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    Melkor - ESTP
    Sauron - ISTJ

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    Tony Soprano?
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    Sauron is ENTJ.

    Shadow characters... hmmm...

    A case could be made that Patrick Jane has fallen into his perception shadow (ENTP to INFJ), but it's not very strong. Light Yagami (Death Note) has a perfect INTJ stress-shadow pattern (he becomes a raging beast under duress), but that's probably not accidental. Death Note characters fall within the confines of their types so well that I suspect someone in the writing staff studied MBTI.

    Anakin Skywalker is NOT an ENFP. There's little in that series that's more obvious than Anakin's blatant Se.


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    Actually, the more I think of it, whatever the types, Anakin was the shadow, and Vader the good version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Sauron is ENTJ.

    Shadow characters... hmmm...

    A case could be made that Patrick Jane has fallen into his perception shadow (ENTP to INFJ), but it's not very strong. Light Yagami (Death Note) has a perfect INTJ stress-shadow pattern (he becomes a raging beast under duress), but that's probably not accidental. Death Note characters fall within the confines of their types so well that I suspect someone in the writing staff studied MBTI.

    Anakin Skywalker is NOT an ENFP. There's little in that series that's more obvious than Anakin's blatant Se.
    No one that kills anything is ever an ENFP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post
    No one that kills anything is ever an ENFP?
    There are plenty of villainous ENFPs out there -- Anakin is just not one of them (not that he's really villainous anyway). Every skill Anakin has is Se-derived; he's a master mechanic, an ace pilot, and a swordsman able to take on an army single-handedly.


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    Yeah, but that's all part of the nature of the setting/story. When the average Jedi can do a lot of that, you have to look at characterization more closely. If that's how you'd determine his type, you'd have to say that all Jedi's are Se too. They are not. In terms of character however, he speaks more like some brooding version of NF idealism. He constantly brings up the future, argues more about the theoretical side of things rather than concrete problems, talks of big galactic-sized dreams with Padme, wants to change the Jedi Order, the Republic, even death itself, and ends up falling into the trap of someone who says he can deliver it all to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Yeah, but that's all part of the nature of the setting/story. When the average Jedi can do a lot of that, you have to look at characterization more closely.
    The average Jedi is an ace pilot and mechanic?

    If that's how you'd determine his type, you'd have to say that all Jedi's are Se too. They are not.
    Well, they actually are. Most Jedi are ENFJ or INFJ -- but nevertheless Se is still part of his characterization. He greatly enjoys working with his hands, and is a highly impulsive thrill seeker.

    In terms of character however, he speaks more like some brooding version of NF idealism. He constantly brings up the future, argues more about the theoretical side of things rather than concrete problems, talks of big galactic-sized dreams with Padme, wants to change the Jedi Order, the Republic, even the nature of death itself, and ends up falling into the trap of someone who says he can deliver it all to him.
    His intuition takes more the form of grand-scale Ni idealism however, which is actually quite common among ISFPs. ISFPs, in fact, are remarkably intuitive, almost indistinguishable from their N counterparts. I'd go so far as saying ISFP is the most idealist of all types.


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    I left the SP temperment because I felt I was too idealistic A confusing enough subject to make me the wrong person to talk to ya about that.

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