Fictional characters MBTI type

[nemo]

I disagree that House always solves his cases with Ni, or that even if he did that would make him an ENTJ. I just don't see him as a dominant Te at all. The man drips of Ne dominance to me.

That's the reason I typed Dr. Cox and House differently: Cox wont directly admit it, but he really does enjoy being the alpha-male figure and managing his underlings and telling them what to do, whereas I don't see House as really caring all that much. To me Cox just has a much stronger NTJ strategic intelligence, whereas House doesn't really care and has the NTP problem-solving interests.

Other thoughts: I think Fe in the third place makes sense for House, given his fascination with other peoples' personal lives, although that doesn't disqualify ENTJ at all. Also, the way House controls his team and their morale is also extremely reminiscent of Keirsey's description of NTP informative communication style trying to manage people.

But I agree, ultimately he's impossible to type, but it is apparent that he has high levels of Ne, Ni, Te, and Ti. The question is just what order. (I'd argue Ne > Ni = Ti > Te >> Fe)

Others: Elliot seems to direct extreme amounts of energy inwards, hence the introversion. But I guess she could just be (comically) neurotic, too.

And yes -- Molly was the psychiatrist!! She was Heather Graham's character for several episodes. She had the amazing ability to completely read people, was extremely intelligent, but was still very silly/funny and would playfully outsmart others to make her points. I've found one of my favorite subplots of hers on youtube:
YouTube - Scrubs - My Common Enemy

 

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I disagree that House always solves his cases with Ni, or that even if he did that would make him an ENTJ. I just don't see him as a dominant Te at all. The man drips of Ne dominance to me.

the thing is, it seems like he never seriously entertains two possibilities at once. he'll pick one and go through the steps to test it/treat it until something drastically changes, and then he'll switch to another theory. he acts out his Ni visions through Te -- he wants it to get done as efficiently as possible.

he feigns use of Ne, but i think that's just so he can be more sure of his Ni vision. he seems to have already thought of everything beforehand most of the time.

i DO think he's dominant Te because he ACTS OUT what he wants to happen, and forces his way.

he does have really really strong Ti, though...

That's the reason I typed Dr. Cox and House differently: Cox wont directly admit it, but he really does enjoy being the alpha-male figure and managing his underlings and telling them what to do, whereas I don't see House as really caring all that much. To me Cox just has a much stronger NTJ strategic intelligence, whereas House doesn't really care and has the NTP problem-solving interests.

i just think Cox is just a more blatant ENTJ. house is more complicated. seems like House's Ni is stronger than Cox's.

Other thoughts: I think Fe in the third place makes sense for House, given his fascination with other peoples' personal lives, although that doesn't disqualify ENTJ at all. Also, the way House controls his team and their morale is also extremely reminiscent of Keirsey's description of NTP informative communication style trying to manage people.

But I agree, ultimately he's impossible to type, but it is apparent that he has high levels of Ne, Ni, Te, and Ti. The question is just what order. (I'd argue Ne > Ni = Ti > Te >> Fe)

yeah, it's definitely not obvious or incontrovertible. his focus on people does reek of Ti/Fe...

 

[Nocapszy]

he's seems like an ENTJ. he always solves the case with Ni. always. although he's all about Ne generation of ideas among his staff. he's kind of impossible to type actually, since you see him use Ne, Ni, Te, and Ti.

Do you even watch the show?
Watch more closely. All of his insights come when he's talking to people.

Whenever he tries to solve alone, he always comes back with the answer, on calm logical terms.

Where's the Ni?

 

[Nocapszy]

Yes, I'm going to get into this again.

the thing is, it seems like he never seriously entertains two possibilities at once.

?!?!?!?!?

he'll pick one and go through the steps to test it/treat it

Ne is acting. You can kill people by treating several things at once. Just because he hacks things down (which is just thinking, not particularly evident of either attitude) doesn't mean he considers only one. He only voices one at a time 'cause he's one voice.

until something drastically changes, and then he'll switch to another theory.

Ah, bending to the objective information.

he acts out his Ni visions through Te -- he wants it to get done as efficiently as possible.

he feigns use of Ne, but i think that's just so he can be more sure of his Ni vision. he seems to have already thought of everything beforehand most of the time.

Please don't tell me you think that's exclusive to Ni. In fact knowing what SEVERAL people are going to say/do at the same time, is as good as entertaining several possibilities at once. It doesn't always have to be possibilities of the same thing.

 

[Nocapszy]

Also, Nemo, I think Chase is INTP.

 

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Yes, I'm going to get into this again.

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Ne is acting. You can kill people by treating several things at once. Just because he hacks things down (which is just thinking, not particularly evident of either attitude) doesn't mean he considers only one. He only voices one. Ah, bending to the objective information.
Please don't tell me you think that's exclusive to Ni. In fact knowing what SEVERAL people are going to say/do at the same time, is as good as entertaining several possibilities at once. It doesn't always have to be possibilities of the same thing.

you're probably right.

but i don't think he's easy to type. he has traits of NTP and NTJ

 

[nemo]

Also, Nemo, I think Chase is INTP.

Interesting -- why?

The vague justification I had for ISTP was based mostly off what I know about the SP temperament and my general impression of him. But you seem to have good reasons/evidence for stuff like this.

 

[Nocapszy]

I don't see as much of the laziness to instant adrenaline that I see in the ISTPs I know in Chase. It's kind of in the recipe of them anyway. Plan it in Ti for a long time then put it out with Se.

He does have more of a flickering debate contingent though. Sometimes he argues with House, sometimes he just takes the command. Not like an ENTP who'll go at it with anyone as long as he wants (people like house ). Indicative, I believe of Ti with supporting Ne.

Introverted thinking is probably his favorite.

 

[Nocapszy]

you're probably right.

but i don't think he's easy to type. he has traits of NTP and NTJ

So do I.

Shit. So do you.

 

[wedekit]

The Golden Girls

• Dorothy: INTJ
• Rose: ExFJ
• Blanche: ESFP
• Sophia: ENTP

I think Rose is more of an ESFP, honestly. Probably the best way I can think to support this is how she responds to a lot of people's questions very literally. While we know that ESFP's are not ignorant, we do know that they can sometimes be found to respond to "What kind of books is that?" with a very literal response of "Paperback". To me this identifies with Rose's character.

I agree with Dorothy as an INTJ without a doubt. However, I don't know about Blanche and I think Sophia has a preference for J since she is a more reserved person. In fact she might actually be an introvert since she does do things on her own when she can. However, I currently can't decide for either of them.

 

[Mondo]

What is it with everyone's obsession with House and everyone's LACK of obsession with 24.. lol

Both shows are great, but "House" has really been overdone.
Here is my opinion.

House=INTJ
He makes great use of ni and is in no way an extrovert. House doesn't like people and is far from energized by them. He just has a 'dominant personality' which seems to hold true for many INTJ's.

 

[Nocapszy]

What is it with everyone's obsession with House and everyone's LACK of obsession with 24.. lol

Both shows are great, but "House" has really been overdone.
Here is my opinion.

House=INTJ
He makes great use of ni and is in no way an extrovert. House doesn't like people and is far from energized by them. He just has a 'dominant personality' which seems to hold true for many INTJ's.

LOL. Can we just delete this post? There's another thread on this issue, where I explained, and more than one person agreed (so I'm not fucking crazy) that he's an extravert. One of them even figured it out on his own.

Also, show me the Ni. I've yet to see anyone show me a case of Ni in House. I certainly can't find it.

That seems to be a motif around here...

It's not like alien sightings guys, you can't just say "I saw it", and expect people to believe you.

But do it in the other thread. We don't need to ruin this one with that discussion when we already have a boxing ring set aside for that.

 

[Mondo]

LOL. Can we just delete this post? There's another thread on this issue, where I explained, and more than one person agreed (so I'm not fucking crazy) that he's an extravert. One of them even figured it out on his own.

Also, show me the Ni. I've yet to see anyone show me a case of Ni in House. I certainly can't find it.

That seems to be a motif around here...

It's not like alien sightings guys, you can't just say "I saw it", and expect people to believe you.

But do it in the other thread. We don't need to ruin this one with that discussion when we already have a boxing ring set aside for that.

Lol! How about we don't delete this post.

However where is this other thread?
Please show me. I'm too lazy to look for it myself.

I'll gladly explain the 'introverted intuition' there and here too, mostly his bouts of insight towards the end of every episode on the show. House usually has a 'gut feeling' about what it is, but then uses the facts and his medical knowledge (Extraverted Thinking) to make the case clear, but there is always that scene where his intuition pops up again and he suddenly gets the answer. This sounds INTJ to me. House is not comfortable around large groups like an extravert would be and there are so many other reasons.

I'll write about them once I find this other thread.

 

[Nocapszy]

Lol! How about we don't delete this post.

However where is this other thread?
Please show me. I'm too lazy to look for it myself.

I don't blame you it's hidden somewhere underneath the rubble probably a few pages back.

I'll gladly explain the 'introverted intuition' there and here too, mostly his bouts of insight towards the end of every episode on the show.[/quote] No, he's usually discussing things with people, and all of a sudden, an analogy comes up in the conversation (extraverted intuition). Then he detaches (I'm sure this is what you confused for Ni) and he's reconfiguring things in his mind, with Ti, which ties the Ne knot.

House usually has a 'gut feeling' about what it is, but then uses the facts and his medical knowledge (Extraverted Thinking)

Again, those facts are just as easily Ti. In fact, Ti is more responsible for the knowledge, because it's an internalized framework

to make the case clear, but there is always that scene where his intuition pops up again and he suddenly gets the answer. This sounds INTJ to me. House is not comfortable around large groups like an extravert would be and there are so many other reasons.

He's plenty comfortable. What introverted hesitations do you see? I see none. He enters a situation and begins talking down and acting immediately. All NTs have dominant personality, the ENTs are just quicker about it.

Misanthropy, is I'm sure one of the things you'd run to in defense, and that's fine, but who's to say an extravert can't be a misanthrope? I am. Talk to captainchick and digesthisickness (I'm sure) if you can find her. Or just ask me.

 

[Gabe]

No, he's usually discussing things with people, and all of a sudden, an analogy comes up in the conversation (extraverted intuition). Then he detaches (I'm sure this is what you confused for Ni) and he's reconfiguring things in his mind, with Ti, which ties the Ne knot. Again, those facts are just as easily Ti. In fact, Ti is more responsible for the knowledge, because it's an internalized framework He's plenty comfortable. What introverted hesitations do you see? I see none. He enters a situation and begins talking down and acting immediately. All NTs have dominant personality, the ENTs are just quicker about it.

Misanthropy, is I'm sure one of the things you'd run to in defense, and that's fine, but who's to say an extravert can't be a misanthrope? I am. Talk to captainchick and digesthisickness (I'm sure) if you can find her. Or just ask me.

All NTs have dominant personality? yeah, maybe in D+D world. Ha!
Ok, that was tastless. But seriously, this is just another one of those indulgent NT-larger-than-life myths out there that needs to die. NOW! Theorists look like jackasses when they don't know what they're doing- when they're in a position/task that doesn't fit thier skills-just like everyone else.

Now as for the Ni thing, yes! Ni doesn't equal always right (Paul Wolfowitz), and INTJ doesn't equal arrogant jerk.
Really, whenever I watch house, all I get is what an ass he is. I mean they're doctors, not Lawyers, so the whole adversarial thing he has-making his team fight each other is mean and unnesicary. Why should there be winning and losing for doctors, that shouldn't be motivating them in the first place! Anyway, I don't think house is a type. Whoever made his character probably got the idea from a ten-minute porn. He has about as much character developement as a pro-wrestling personality.

 

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Really, whenever I watch house, all I get is what an ass he is. I mean they're doctors, not Lawyers, so the whole adversarial thing he has-making his team fight each other is mean and unnesicary. Why should there be winning and losing for doctors, that shouldn't be motivating them in the first place! Anyway, I don't think house is a type. Whoever made his character probably got the idea from a ten-minute porn. He has about as much character developement as a pro-wrestling personality.

jeez man.

house's character is great, actually. the plot of the show is always kinda subpar...house's character is like the only reason to watch.

you didn't add anything to this discussion at all. if you think his character development is bad, say why or something. or comment on his type. why was that post even necessary?

edit: just watched 3 episodes, i'm on the ENTP side now.

 

[Mondo]

I don't blame you it's hidden somewhere underneath the rubble probably a few pages back.

I'll gladly explain the 'introverted intuition' there and here too, mostly his bouts of insight towards the end of every episode on the show.

No, he's usually discussing things with people, and all of a sudden, an analogy comes up in the conversation (extraverted intuition). Then he detaches (I'm sure this is what you confused for Ni) and he's reconfiguring things in his mind, with Ti, which ties the Ne knot. Again, those facts are just as easily Ti. In fact, Ti is more responsible for the knowledge, because it's an internalized framework He's plenty comfortable. What introverted hesitations do you see? I see none. He enters a situation and begins talking down and acting immediately. All NTs have dominant personality, the ENTs are just quicker about it.

Misanthropy, is I'm sure one of the things you'd run to in defense, and that's fine, but who's to say an extravert can't be a misanthrope? I am. Talk to captainchick and digesthisickness (I'm sure) if you can find her. Or just ask me.

Nocapszy, since you are an ENTP, I'm sure you will be to answer this question: As an extravert, how do you consider yourself misanthropic, if you do at all?

Something I will already bring to my defense of House being an Introvert is that there has never been an instance in which House has been in a group and he has been energized by that. It could also be that because on the show, he is so much smarter than everyone else that he is left frustrated rather than energized of course. House is not someone who would be happy with many friends. There are many scenes with House content by himself playing video games or thinking. I know Extroverts can do this too, but House seems so much more content alone than with other people.

Yet again, I'm not sure if this is whether he is an Extrovert who became frustrated with the outside world over time or he is an Introvert who always held some annoyance with being around people. Also, I haven't watched the fourth season in which I have heard that he puts his candidates for assistants up onto some 'reality show' like competition. To come to think of it, an ENTP would probably get more joy out of it (if that was his main point) than an INTP/INTJ.

 

[Nocapszy]

Nocapszy, since you are an ENTP, I'm sure you will be to answer this question: As an extravert, how do you consider yourself misanthropic, if you do at all?

I strongly dislike most people I come in face-to-face contact with. I'm smart. People are dumb. Yeah, I'm arrogant. Fuck me right?

Something I will already bring to my defense of House being an Introvert is that there has never been an instance in which House has been in a group and he has been energized by that.

What are you talking about? He's not energized in a positive way, but he really gets involved in his arguments. There's a lot invested. Remember when Foreman was leaving? He started off trying to be all introverted an cool about it, but he couldn't help himself but start getting angry and raising his voice telling foreman how he was wrong (Ti, not Te)

It could also be that because on the show, he is so much smarter than everyone else that he is left frustrated rather than energized of course.

Waw... imagine that.

House is not someone who would be happy with many friends.

Friends are not the hallmark of an extravert.

There are many scenes with House content by himself playing video games or thinking.

And you think he's drawing energy there? There are even more scenes where he's talking to people, energized or not.

I know Extroverts can do this too, but House seems so much more content alone than with other people.

Yeah, inviting wilson to live with him, and then tricking him into staying is indicative of being more content alone.

House is just abrasive. Turns people off. He doesn't care. Argument and fighting with people is a good way to get people to talk. He knows that people often try to convince themselves by proving things to other people, including him, but they won't do it if they don't think they have to. House causes them to do that. How's that not extraverted perception?

Yet again, I'm not sure if this is whether he is an Extrovert who became frustrated with the outside world over time or he is an Introvert who always held some annoyance with being around people. Also, I haven't watched the fourth season in which I have heard that he puts his candidates for assistants up onto some 'reality show' like competition.

He invites 40 people to audition for the job. What I would do that? The only reason he wouldn't hire anyone at the beginning was because he didn't want to do what Cuddy told him. He wanted to play his guitar.

 

[Ivy]

Think of it this way: how much introspection does House do? Answer: almost none. His energy is always directed outward, even if it's usually disdainful energy.

 

[Nocapszy]

All NTs have dominant personality? yeah, maybe in D+D world. Ha!

Go ride your unicorn LB.

Ok, that was tastless. But seriously, this is just another one of those indulgent NT-larger-than-life myths out there that needs to die. NOW!

Er... OK INTPs aren't that dominant.

Theorists look like jackasses when they don't know what they're doing- when they're in a position/task that doesn't fit thier skills-just like everyone else.

Then why are you posting?

Now as for the Ni thing, yes! Ni doesn't equal always right (Paul Wolfowitz), and INTJ doesn't equal arrogant jerk.
Really, whenever I watch house, all I get is what an ass he is. I mean they're doctors, not Lawyers, so the whole adversarial thing he has-making his team fight each other is mean and unnesicary.

No, you just don't understand it.

Why should there be winning and losing for doctors, that shouldn't be motivating them in the first place!

Why not? It works.

Anyway, I don't think house is a type. Whoever made his character probably got the idea from a ten-minute porn. He has about as much character developement as a pro-wrestling personality.

Uh.... what?

I repeat my question. Why are you posting?