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    Default Fictional Type Clichés

    Here's a guide to fictional type clichés (is that with an accent in English?)

    Rule #1: Feelers are always better than Thinkers. An F can be a bad guy, but only a T can be truly evil.
    Rule #2: Extraverts are always dumber and less important than Introverts. An E can be a sidekick, but the hero is an I.
    Rule #3: Sensors are always dumber than Intuitives. Intuition sees the world on a deeper level you know (this is not my opinion).
    Rule #4: Perceivers are always better than Judgers.

    Which results in:
    Guardians:
    ESTJ: bad, but too dumb to be really evil. A stick-in-the-mud boss who hinders the hero who wants to do things his way. Becoming an F can redeem this type.
    ISTJ: guard, plumber... who gives practical advice, but never gets an important role. Despite the TJ combo this one can actually be good (but never good enough for hero or mentor roles)
    ESFJ: the overbearing mother. ESFJs are always female. Well-meaning (she's an F after all) but, as a dumb E-S and an uptight J, hinders the hero in his quest.
    ISFJ: nurse, physician... Well-meaning and caring, tries to hold the hero in the hospital when hero wants to get up and about.

    Artists:
    ESTP: friend of the hero, tavern guest who divulges some information needed for the quest, grunt in the villain's army who can be bribed.
    ISTP: no important roles, can play a part as weaponsmith.
    ESFP: funny and dumb (of course *eyeroll*) sidekick. This (certainly good) one might defreeze and redeem the INTP.
    ISFP: less cunning than the villain, the all-good FP combination, the FiNi angst: this is hero material.

    Rationals:
    ENTJ: evil emperor. Nothing can redeem this type.
    INTJ: archvillain - as both I and N he's the smartest one around, and as both T and J the most evil. Nothing can redeem this type.
    ENTP: being a P can redeem the T: an enthousiastic forgetful genius, can work either for the Good or the Evil side but is more interested in his own inventions than in good or evil.
    INTP: the dork genius cooped up with computers (or the equivalent available in the setting), more seen as a failure than as a danger/ally, despite him being one of the smartest types. This type is redeemed by getting friends.

    Idealists:
    ENFJ: a cunning manipulator (if more J) or a loving teacher (if more F)
    INFJ: wise IN, good F but falls back at the crucial moment due to J: mentor material here.
    ENFP: another sidekick, funny and whimsical
    INFP: shaman, true love of the hero... in all cases, this type tells the hero to 'follow his heart' and frees him from his angst.

    Feel free to add more clichés
    Just to be clear: it's not my intention to say all fiction writers should follow these rules. On the contrary. It's just an observation: most (not all, I know) fiction follows them... and choosing one of them to break (or all of them) can be a rich source of inspiration.

    This amateur writer is mining it already... Yay for my new INTP hero!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    the FiNi angst: this is hero material.
    RAWR :SaiyanSmilie_anim:

    One comment on ENFJ, I think they can play the (somewhat) illogical but inspiring crusader and agent of change for his/her friends. The really fired up type who wants to shoot for the impossible. An orator maybe..Not just the teacher.

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    dammit... I'm always going to be stuck in the friendly pub guest who talks a lot category
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    "Intuition sees the world on a deeper level you know (this is not my opinion)."

    This is true. The problem you are having is in your definition of deeper and how you relate it to better in some way.

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    not necissarily... proving that nobody seems to understand sensing

    if we're talking about depth it should be fair to say that introverts would be deeper than extroverts regardless of the S/N divide... Se and Ne are both shallow functions while Ti and Fi (and Si and Ni) are the deeper ones
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    I would say the ISTP is another hero cliche.. but more with a practical type of reason to rise up..and goes about the heroics in a completely methodical, cool way..but usually with a lot of collateral damage. "Someone's gotta do it." Like Bruce Willis in Die Hard (or Daniel Craig's Bond).

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    <-- secretly wishes to be as badass as ISTPs get portrayed


    can pull of the ESTP bitchy woman in boots and a biker jacket rather well though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    <-- secretly wishes to be as badass as ISTPs get portrayed


    can pull of the ESTP bitchy woman in boots and a biker jacket rather well though!
    Yeah, but the ISTP hero has no friends.

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    ISTJ - cranks with hearts of gold.
    Think hermit who is dumped with a small child.
    Currently submerged under an avalanche of books and paper work. I may come back up for air from time to time.
    Real life awaits and she is a demanding mistress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Yeah, but the ISTP hero has no friends.
    yeah... even the ESTP bitch stereotype has friends, because it usually turns out that she's a bitch with a heart of gold under several layers of leather and tattoo ink

    still... ISTPs are admirable in their badassedness

    and the ISTJ cranky hermit one is great! it reminds me of watching mine babysit a while back!
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