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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    It's a more complex theory, so it will naturally get more difficult to type with it. The Enneagram is quite simple: there are nine types; nine different motivations and ways of thinking. MBTT has sixteen possibilities, as opposed to nine (if you exclude the wings and subtypes from the Enneagram). It's harder to type through functions. Motivations are much easier.

    That's what I was thinking too.

    The U.S. is very much a three, eight, and one culture. Three because we are obsessed with beauty and success, eight because we like to use force to get what we want (and think we're the shit), and one because we have pretentions to superior judgment and goodness. I'd also throw all the other types in there, for one reason or another, but I see those three types as dominating. I'd give twos a shout too, because of all the Jeudo-Christian beliefs of being self-sacrifical and good and blah blah.. blah.

    How about typing religions? I think most mainstream ones would have one tendencies, as well as two tendencies.

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    I don't see anything wrong or hard about typing abstractions, as long as the abstractions have some qualities that can be associated with MBTI (or enneagram).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mempy View Post
    That's what I was thinking too.

    The U.S. is very much a three, eight, and one culture. Three because we are obsessed with beauty and success, eight because we like to use force to get what we want (and think we're the shit), and one because we have pretentions to superior judgment and goodness. I'd also throw all the other types in there, for one reason or another, but I see those three types as dominating. I'd give twos a shout too, because of all the Jeudo-Christian beliefs of being self-sacrifical and good and blah blah.. blah.

    How about typing religions? I think most mainstream ones would have one tendencies, as well as two tendencies.
    The U.S. is definitely a 3 because of its motivation of being the best. 3's can seem like 8's in their behavior, but their reasons for their behavior are entirely different. I'd say the East Coast is more 3 and the West Coast is more 7.

    America's fear is not of being controlled, like the 8, because America tends to think it's better than everyone else, more like the 3. 8 is more antisocial, 3 is more narcissistic, which definitely fits America's profile. And certain American religious sects (or organized religion, in general) are type 1, but the country itself is definitely not.

    As for other English-speaking countries:

    Canada: 9
    England: 1
    Australia: 7

    Those are my broadly estimated guesses, anyway...

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    I've decided to type the countries I'll comment on:

    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    The U.S. is definitely a 3 because of its motivation of being the best. 3's can seem like 8's in their behavior, but their reasons for their behavior are entirely different. I'd say the East Coast is more 3 and the West Coast is more 7.

    America's fear is not of being controlled, like the 8, because America tends to think it's better than everyone else, more like the 3. 8 is more antisocial, 3 is more narcissistic, which definitely fits America's profile. And certain American religious sects (or organized religion, in general) are type 1, but the country itself is definitely not.

    As for other English-speaking countries:

    Canada: 9
    England: 1
    Australia: 7

    Those are my broadly estimated guesses, anyway...
    Yes, a seven sounds about right, on average. Australia is the land, as a Men at Work song told the world, where "men plunder". Australia values doers, 'macho-men', bravery and determination, athleticism (do you see my problems? ) and so forth. As a MBTI type, I would say that the stereotypical Australian male would probably be an ESTP and the stereotypical Australian female would probably be an ESFJ. I'll say this, Australia is a land of Extraverts and Sensates.
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    So - how about Scotland? Ireland?

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    Scotland: 6 or 7 maybe?
    Ireland: 6 or 9 (shut up, that wasn't an innuendo)

    (Although, of course, I should have typed in UK instead of England up above.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Scotland: 6 or 7 maybe?
    Ireland: 6 or 9 (shut up, that wasn't an innuendo)

    (Although, of course, I should have typed in UK instead of England up above.)
    It wasn't an innuendo?

    "Bring me my whiskey, mother .... England's forever, but Scotland's depraved."

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    I can't see why you shouldn't be able to type abstractions since functions are themselves abstractions. I own a book that is about type in organizations. I haven't looked at the book recently, and so I don't remember how it applies typology to group dynamics. Anyways, countries and companies are just groups of people and so no more abstract than people.

    Amazon.com: The Character of Organizations, Updated Edition: Using Personality Type in Organization Development: Books: William Bridges

    I don't spend much time thinking about how to type things other than humans, but its an interesting idea. Typology is about how the human mind relates to the world. Jung himself wrote a lot about philosophy when talking about typology and so does Beebe. I was reading that(maybe in Beebe's book) that Eastern morality is based more on the S/N dichotomy and Western morality is based more on the T/F dichotomy.

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    Typing abstractions is amazingly fun.
    I'm currently working out an essay in my head about how Japanese culture is comprised of a wacky ENTP/ISFJ duality - it has both the out-there, off-the-wall ,exploratory sensibilities of ENTP (as well as a propensity towards innovation and invention in a technological, information-based way), and the focus on duty , tradition, tranquility, politeness, hospitality, respect, etc. of ISFJ.

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