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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Robert E. Lee is often tagged as ISFJ.
    Yeah, that's why I wrote what I did.
    His superficial, overly pious behavior can be taken as that.
    Mostly because he's a huge E and a huge J, taking things in and really being defined by his environment/culture plus following it with unusual fervor.

    Although, his way of doing stuff is really Te-oriented.
    I can stretch it to say he's either ESTJ or ENTJ.
    The meekness is mostly stoic calm + deep belief in the Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    Yeah, that's why I wrote what I did.
    His superficial, overly pious behavior can be taken as that.
    Mostly because he's a huge E and a huge J, taking things in and really being defined by his environment/culture plus following it with unusual fervor.

    Although, his way of doing stuff is really Te-oriented.
    I can stretch it to say he's either ESTJ or ENTJ.
    The meekness is mostly stoic calm + deep belief in the Jesus.
    Interesting. I've always thought Lee's method and (often over-reliance) on his gut instinct was rather Ni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oedipa_Maas View Post
    I didn't realize ESTPs were susceptible to cooky reincarnation shit and beating on shell-shocked soldiers.
    We get the job done, and don't lose sleep if we hurt bruise a few people's ILAC. If someone is shell-shocked, and you are their commander, they are getting paid to pick up the goddamn rifle and go kill the enemy. If they choose to be shell shocked and hide in their foxhole, then they risk their lives and the lives of their fellow troops. Sometimes people need a good kick in the ass to get their shit straight. It's war, dude. What did you want Patton to do, sit down with them and thell them theywere a special person?

    And belief in reincarnation is something anyone of any MBTI type can choose to believe in.

    Anything else?

    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    To add:

    Julius Caesar - ENTJ
    Napoleon Bonaparte - ENTJ
    Gebhard von Blücher - EXTJ
    Georgy Zhukov - ENTJ
    Robert E. Lee - ENTJ (him being pretty pious made him a bit milder than usual, but it's there)
    George Washington - ESTJ
    Sun Tzu - INTJ
    William the Conqueror - ENTJ
    Ṣalāḥ ad-Dīn Yūsuf ibn Ayyūb (Saladin) - INTJ
    Baybars - ESTJ
    Gaius Marius - ESTJ
    Carl XII of Sweden - INTJ
    Joachim Murat (guy in my avatar) - XNTJ
    Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte - ENTJ
    Arthur Wellesley 1st Duke of Wellington - ENTJ

    Total NT/SJ bias, dude. Come on, you know better! LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YLJ
    There is not a coincedence that the ENTJ is called the fieldmarshal.
    Great field commanders are often ENTJs or ESTJs, the great, logical organizers.
    They are also called other things. Your SJ and NJ examples will do great when things go according to plan, but from I can tell, war rarely does, and I'd wager that a good portion of the vioctors of any significant combat have just as much chance as being NP/SP, and NJ/SJ.

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    Concerning typology, you also have to take into account the difference between Strategic intelligence and Tactical intelligence and how that relates to military applications(strategy, tactics).

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    To add:

    Julius Caesar - ENTJ
    Napoleon Bonaparte - ENTJ
    Gebhard von Blücher - EXTJ
    Georgy Zhukov - ENTJ
    Robert E. Lee - ENTJ (him being pretty pious made him a bit milder than usual, but it's there)
    George Washington - ESTJ
    Sun Tzu - INTJ
    William the Conqueror - ENTJ
    Ṣalāḥ ad-Dīn Yūsuf ibn Ayyūb (Saladin) - INTJ
    Baybars - ESTJ
    Gaius Marius - ESTJ
    Carl XII of Sweden - INTJ
    Joachim Murat (guy in my avatar) - XNTJ
    Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte - ENTJ
    Arthur Wellesley 1st Duke of Wellington - ENTJ





    There is not a coincedence that the ENTJ is called the fieldmarshal.
    Great field commanders are often ENTJs or ESTJs, the great, logical organizers.
    I don't dispute any of these as I don't know most of them, but where's the "P"?

    SPs are excellent tactical leaders and I think it is likely that tactical leaders are found commonly in these roles in addition to the NT strategic leaders or SJ logistical leaders.

    Edit: Washington was supposed to be an ESTJ. That much I've heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Bullshit. Bill Clinton never struck me as trying to find something better than what he managed to make happen, a penultimate failure of NFs. I think ESFP is more spot on for my favorite President.
    Clinton once remarked "no one had as much fun being president as I did". The guy was all about having a good time. He never had that ENFP busybody "let's all be BFFs" vibe about him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Clinton once remarked "no one had as much fun being president as I did". The guy was all about having a good time. He never had that ENFP busybody "let's all be BFFs" vibe about him.
    I just don't see it. He had that hand shaking, hugging, friendly personality and a way of making you feel like you were the only person in the room. The remarkable ability to inspire people and persuade. I compare him to Regan and he is much better in this way - clearly more enthusiasm. Anyway, I've know both ESFPs and ENFPs and he seems much more N than S.

    My last two points are this:
    - 92% of Rhodes Scholars were intuitive students. Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar
    - an INTJ (Hilary) is more likely to be married to an ENFP than an ESFP. The ESFP would drive her crazy.

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    Clinton: ESFP, the best president ever to take a road trip with.

    Alexander the Great: ENTP
    Attila: ENTJ
    Julius Caesar: ENTP
    Vercingétorix: ESTJ

    Zhukov: ESTP
    Churchill: ESTP
    Rommel: ISTP, dude, he was total introvert.
    Patton: ESTP
    Montgomery: ESTJ
    De Gaulle: INTP
    Eishenower: INTP
    Tito: ISTP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz View Post
    Ok, so he lists Rommel as an ISTP along with Woody Allen (whom I deem to be INFP). In eigther case, there are no arguments
    63 per cent correct.
    Allen was not a cinematograph.
    He was a writer. A very diligent one.
    Allen planned ahead. Never worked on a whim.
    A finicky person. A neurotic talker.
    XNFJ.

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    he was total introvert.
    based on what?

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