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NTJ heroes

Aleksei

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I noticed there is a distinct lack of those in popular culture. There are a number of ENTJ and INTJ antiheroes and a shitload of villains, but almost no heroes. Some I can think of though include:

Michael Westen (INTJ)
Michael Scofield (ENTJ)
Commander John Sheridan (ENTJ)
Robert Langdon (ENTJ)
Captain Jack Aubrey (ENTJ)

Can anyone think of any others?
 

Harold Saxon

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Captain Jean-Luc Picard (Star Trek: The Next Generation, INTJ)
Geordi La Forge (Star Trek: The Next Generation, ENTJ)
Near (Death Note, INTJ - though he could conceivably be seen as an anti-hero, given that he doesn't care about saving the day so much as figuring out the puzzle - like the INTP L, he's in it out of boredom)
Albus Dumbledore (Harry Potter, INTJ)
Severus Snape (Harry Potter, INTJ)
V (V for Vendetta, INTJ - though he's only heroic in the film, and even there borders heavily on being an anti-hero)

Christian Bale's Batman (INTJ, though Batman is an overall ISTJ character) and the Doctor's First and Seventh incarnations (INTJ incarnations of an overall INTP character - Six could also be an ENTJ, he's either that or a very unhealthy ENFJ) also fit the bill.

I'd include quite a few others, but you explicitly disallowed any anti-heroes, so I won't.
 

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V (V for Vendetta, INTJ - though he's only heroic in the film, and even there borders heavily on being an anti-hero)

This is an interesting one, in the graphic novel he's less of a likeable character in a way, I've read that the creator of the character has talked about how his politics changed in the course of writing it and I've often wondered what that was about (there is a piece were he blows up the law courts in the comic in which he makes a long speech about how he once wanted to see and honour justice but has since decided freedom is a higher virtue).

The comic does a good job of showing how spreading contempt for a regime is effective subversion but all in all I was left with an impression of a story which is much more like The Count of Monte Cristo only with a central character that's both disfigured and totally insane, like wanting to terrify others insane, and who you'd do anything to avoid/escape in reality.
 

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What about "Peter Parker" aka "Spiderman?"

He was a physics student at a university, can you get any more INTJ? :thinking:
 

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This is an interesting one, in the graphic novel he's less of a likeable character in a way, I've read that the creator of the character has talked about how his politics changed in the course of writing it and I've often wondered what that was about (there is a piece were he blows up the law courts in the comic in which he makes a long speech about how he once wanted to see and honour justice but has since decided freedom is a higher virtue).

The comic does a good job of showing how spreading contempt for a regime is effective subversion but all in all I was left with an impression of a story which is much more like The Count of Monte Cristo only with a central character that's both disfigured and totally insane, like wanting to terrify others insane, and who you'd do anything to avoid/escape in reality.

In the graphic novel, Evey represents the average person caught in-between two extremes of anarchy and fascism. V is presented as being almost as or just as vile as the fascist government he opposes. The film overplayed the personal vengeance aspects of V's struggle, and completely removed any references to anarchist philosophy (rather than vague overtures to concepts like "freedom" and "personal responsibility"), turning V into a more sympathetic and heroic character in the process.

Speaking of The Count of Monte Cristo, while he's obviously quite deep in anti-hero territory and thus cannot properly fit this thread to the fullest degree (at least the specifications laid out in the OP), the titular Count of Monte Cristo seems to be an INTJ - after his stay in the Chateau d'If, at least (I'd guess ENTP for Edmond Dantes before becoming the Count).
 

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What about "Peter Parker" aka "Spiderman?"

He was a physics student at a university, can you get any more INTJ?
A physics student can be INTP, ENTP, ISTJ, ESTJ, and even F (Though Feelers are unlikely to choose it as a profession). Peter Parker is INFP (With Spider-Man being ESTJ by contrast).
 

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Riker is more of an ETJ than LaForge. I've always thought of LaForge as an EFJ, a sympathetic friend.

[YOUTUBE="wbEmQ_uyt1M"]Riker=Te[/YOUTUBE]
 

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A physics student can be INTP, ENTP, ISTJ, ESTJ, and even F (Though Feelers are unlikely to choose it as a profession). Peter Parker is INFP (With Spider-Man being ESTJ by contrast).

Yes, and also, most biology majors need 1 year of physics (in California at least). :) And Fs do make up a large portion of the biology department.
 

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Riker is more of an ETJ than LaForge. I've always thought of LaForge as an EFJ, a sympathetic friend.

[YOUTUBE="wbEmQ_uyt1M"]Riker=Te[/YOUTUBE]

I disagree. La Forge knows how to keep on amiable terms with others and his Te to himself, but he's very far from any sort of Fe-dominant. In fact, he's rather devoid of genuine Fe when talking to anyone but Data.

Riker does not apply to this thread (on NTJ heroes, not ETJ ones, notice), as a very blatant example of an ESTJ.
 

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Tom Reagan in Miller's Crossing, caught between his heart and his hat. :)
 

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Also, I just thought of Big Boss from the Metal Gear series, an INTJ. While he's an antagonist through the majority of the games, Metal Gear Solid 4 proves him to be the most unquestionably heroic character in a series full of moral ambiguity and shades of grey.
 

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I think Dexter Morgan is INTJ, or at least the book version of him is. On the show, I think he's more ISTJ - much more bound by the Code and loyalty to his family.

Also, Agent Cooper of "Twin Peaks" strikes me as a very friendly INTJ.
 

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I think Dexter Morgan is INTJ, or at least the book version of him is. On the show, I think he's more ISTJ - much more bound by the Code and loyalty to his family.

Also, Agent Cooper of "Twin Peaks" strikes me as a very friendly INTJ.

Dexter Morgan is an INTJ, but he does not fit the thread - he's far from heroic. He's a psychopathic anti-hero at best.

Dale Cooper is probably more of an INFP. Note that he solves his cases through gut instinct and his dreams rather than logical deduction.
 

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Dexter Morgan is an INTJ, but he does not fit the thread - he's far from heroic. He's a psychopathic anti-hero at best.
Depends on your point of view. Somebody mentioned Batman before, and there's been enough philosophical discussion about him that he could easily be an antihero.

But as for a more sympathetic choice... I think Veronica Mars is probably ENTJ. And Daria Morgendorffer is so INTJ that it's almost funny.
 

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Depends on your point of view. Somebody mentioned Batman before, and there's been enough philosophical discussion about him that he could easily be an antihero.

But as for a more sympathetic choice... I think Veronica Mars is probably ENTJ. And Daria Morgendorffer is so INTJ that it's almost funny.

That "somebody" was me. :tongue: Of the characters that I mentioned, Bale's Batman, V (film version - the graphic novel version could easily be seen as outright villainous), Near, Albus Dumbledore, Severus Snape, and the First, Sixth, and Seventh Doctors could all be considered anti-heroes. However, they're still seen as heroic by most viewers/readers, hence why I included them. Dexter isn't - he's fun to watch and read about, and one generally roots for him, but the fact that he derives pleasure from murder deprives him of any sort of heroic status.

Daria is a blatant INTJ, yes - but does she count as a hero rather than merely a protagonist? Doubtful, she's just a teen sitcom character. Her role is to be witty and sarcastic, not to save the day. She's about as "heroic" as Wednesday Addams (another probable INTJ).

Veronica Mars, on the other hand, is a good example. She strikes me as an ENTJ as well, and definitely a heroic portrayal of one.
 

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Riker does not apply to this thread (on NTJ heroes, not ETJ ones, notice), as a very blatant example of an ESTJ.
I observe more cunning and strategy in Riker as a character than you do, but to each his own.
La Forge knows how to keep on amiable terms with others and his Te to himself, but he's very far from any sort of Fe-dominant. In fact, he's rather devoid of genuine Fe when talking to anyone but Data.
You're wrong-- LaForge is a sensate dominate, but keeps it to himself. No-- LaForge is a intuitive dominant, but keeps it to himself. We can justify anything with this reasoning. But we both notice LaForge's natural friendliness and warm sympathy, and I'm content with that.
 

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Tom's INTP not INTJ.

Beatrix Kiddo of Kill Bill- ENTJ
Jonas Blane on the Unit- ENTJ
President Palmer 24- ENTJ
Michael Scofield- INTJ imo
 

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Harlock from Arcadia of my Youth?

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Tom's INTP not INTJ.

Beatrix Kiddo of Kill Bill- ENTJ
Jonas Blane on the Unit- ENTJ
President Palmer 24- ENTJ
Michael Scofield- INTJ imo
Beatrix Kiddo is no more of a hero than Light Yagami is. The rest are right (though I mentioned Scofield already).
 
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