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    Also, I just thought of Big Boss from the Metal Gear series, an INTJ. While he's an antagonist through the majority of the games, Metal Gear Solid 4 proves him to be the most unquestionably heroic character in a series full of moral ambiguity and shades of grey.

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    I think Dexter Morgan is INTJ, or at least the book version of him is. On the show, I think he's more ISTJ - much more bound by the Code and loyalty to his family.

    Also, Agent Cooper of "Twin Peaks" strikes me as a very friendly INTJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    I think Dexter Morgan is INTJ, or at least the book version of him is. On the show, I think he's more ISTJ - much more bound by the Code and loyalty to his family.

    Also, Agent Cooper of "Twin Peaks" strikes me as a very friendly INTJ.
    Dexter Morgan is an INTJ, but he does not fit the thread - he's far from heroic. He's a psychopathic anti-hero at best.

    Dale Cooper is probably more of an INFP. Note that he solves his cases through gut instinct and his dreams rather than logical deduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold Saxon View Post
    Dexter Morgan is an INTJ, but he does not fit the thread - he's far from heroic. He's a psychopathic anti-hero at best.
    Depends on your point of view. Somebody mentioned Batman before, and there's been enough philosophical discussion about him that he could easily be an antihero.

    But as for a more sympathetic choice... I think Veronica Mars is probably ENTJ. And Daria Morgendorffer is so INTJ that it's almost funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Depends on your point of view. Somebody mentioned Batman before, and there's been enough philosophical discussion about him that he could easily be an antihero.

    But as for a more sympathetic choice... I think Veronica Mars is probably ENTJ. And Daria Morgendorffer is so INTJ that it's almost funny.
    That "somebody" was me. Of the characters that I mentioned, Bale's Batman, V (film version - the graphic novel version could easily be seen as outright villainous), Near, Albus Dumbledore, Severus Snape, and the First, Sixth, and Seventh Doctors could all be considered anti-heroes. However, they're still seen as heroic by most viewers/readers, hence why I included them. Dexter isn't - he's fun to watch and read about, and one generally roots for him, but the fact that he derives pleasure from murder deprives him of any sort of heroic status.

    Daria is a blatant INTJ, yes - but does she count as a hero rather than merely a protagonist? Doubtful, she's just a teen sitcom character. Her role is to be witty and sarcastic, not to save the day. She's about as "heroic" as Wednesday Addams (another probable INTJ).

    Veronica Mars, on the other hand, is a good example. She strikes me as an ENTJ as well, and definitely a heroic portrayal of one.

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    Riker does not apply to this thread (on NTJ heroes, not ETJ ones, notice), as a very blatant example of an ESTJ.
    I observe more cunning and strategy in Riker as a character than you do, but to each his own.
    La Forge knows how to keep on amiable terms with others and his Te to himself, but he's very far from any sort of Fe-dominant. In fact, he's rather devoid of genuine Fe when talking to anyone but Data.
    You're wrong-- LaForge is a sensate dominate, but keeps it to himself. No-- LaForge is a intuitive dominant, but keeps it to himself. We can justify anything with this reasoning. But we both notice LaForge's natural friendliness and warm sympathy, and I'm content with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post


    Tom Reagan in Miller's Crossing, caught between his heart and his hat.
    I just watched Miller's Crossing again the other day and was thinking, "Oh yeah... Tom's an INTJ, whose Se is getting him into some serious shit"

    Still, Tom isn't much of a "hero"...

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    Tom's INTP not INTJ.

    Beatrix Kiddo of Kill Bill- ENTJ
    Jonas Blane on the Unit- ENTJ
    President Palmer 24- ENTJ
    Michael Scofield- INTJ imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny View Post
    Tom's INTP not INTJ.

    Beatrix Kiddo of Kill Bill- ENTJ
    Jonas Blane on the Unit- ENTJ
    President Palmer 24- ENTJ
    Michael Scofield- INTJ imo
    Beatrix Kiddo is no more of a hero than Light Yagami is. The rest are right (though I mentioned Scofield already).
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