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    The Picard!!!


    What makes Deanna an xNFP and not an xNFJ? I can never tell what her type is, and is Data also an INTJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheEmeraldCanopy View Post
    The Picard!!!


    What makes Deanna an xNFP and not an xNFJ? I can never tell what her type is, and is Data also an INTJ?
    No, Data is INTP. He's a socially awkward android, totally befuddled by human emotions. Need I say more?

    Although, I could see Lore as an INTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    there's nothing worse than egomaniacal immature INTJ, nothing, eww.
    Are you refering to somebody you know fairly well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
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    This thread might be useless, I know there is a type the cast of Star Trek:TNG thread, but... besides Deanna Troi, Captain Jean-Luc Picard deserves a thread of his own, actually, I think his character is far more complex than Troi's, even though I've always really liked her.

    Now, here's the question....


    So, is it pretty unanimous that Picard was an INTJ??!?

    I've loved this show ever since I was a kid, and was fortunate enough to watch two reruns on SyFy, last night!

    And, AND....


    I've had a major crush on Picard since I was a girl, seriously!

    He was the father figure I never had, a model for the ideal man, he was perfect.

    Seriously, is he ever wrong?!!??



    ^I agree with the above.



    Your thoughts?

    Or, are you too young to even care or know about Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
    I totally, agree that he's an intj. Some believe him to be estp or entj. But he exhibits intj characteristics.

    I love him . I have many fantasies of me being his wife and living on that starship.
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    I always thought of Picard as an ENTJ. Why INTJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheEmeraldCanopy View Post
    I always thought of Picard as an ENTJ. Why INTJ?
    He's very reserved and philosophical. ENTJs tend to be more "brash" and impulsive. Riker is ENTJ, in many MBTI fans' opinions.

    Ni makes you think before you act. Te tends to "act/think" right away, only to analyze it later while trying to figure out what went wrong.

    Also note that Picard is a rather old and remarkably mature human being: he brings the full analytical power of the INTJ type with the maturity and people skills that INTJs -wish- they had, but only gain after very very very long experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheEmeraldCanopy View Post
    The Picard!!!


    What makes Deanna an xNFP and not an xNFJ? I can never tell what her type is, and is Data also an INTJ?
    In my opinion data is an intp. Deanna definitely infp.
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    I kind of read a couple silly posts on a thread that seems split between INTJ and ENTJ, on a forum consisting mostly of N types who think everybody is an N type.

    I'm an old Trekkie and I watched all of Star Trek: TNG back when it was new. This weekend I watched the first three episodes of the first season on Netflix, and I can now inform you all, without any hesitation and with 100% confidence, that Jean-Luc Picard is an ISTJ.

    How do I know this after only 3 episodes of viewing? I knew it during the first 2-part episode. Picard is introverted, unemotional, dutiful, extremely reality-centered, not an idealist - the only ideals he shows are the principles that were trained into him at Starfleet Academy as traditions.

    During episode three, when the Traveler takes the Enterprise "where none has gone before," Picard had only one command to give: "get us out of here." When offered alternative ideas by bridge members, he knocked down INTJ Data's idea to study the proto-star by stating that a properly-equipped science ship can come to this galaxy later: in the meantime, just "get us out of here."

    Picard is not an INTJ.

    But how about ENTJ? Oh right, such a general type. Not. Or maybe a CEO? Not. Such a person takes a broad view of things and is willing to sacrifice to attain an end. It's not just that Picard is an introvert in every sense of the term, but that he is not NT in any sense of it. Nor is he Ni in any way whatsoever.

    https://www.16personalities.com/istj-personality
    "ISTJs don't make many assumptions, preferring instead to analyze their surroundings, check their facts and arrive at practical courses of action." Picard doesn't make any assumptions. He analyzes, he requests opinions and alternatives, and then he (as captain and as an ISTJ) comes to a logical decision. He not only checks facts, he asks for them constantly from those around him. (For those who don't know their functions, this is not Si but Te at work.)

    ..."people with the ISTJ personality type often prefer to work alone, or at least have their authority clearly established by hierarchy, where they can set and achieve their goals without debate or worry over other's reliability." Captain Picard has had his captaincy clearly established by hierarchy. He has surrounded himself with an extremely disciplined and well-trained crew. Unlike ESTJ (which isn't an optional type), he doesn't simply give orders to be blindly obeyed, he expects his mistakes to be pointed out so that he can further perfect his decision-making process in order to best serve Star Fleet. Unlike an ESTJ or ENTJ, he did not acquire his position through brute force, but rather by working his way slowly but steadily up the chain of command. In this way, his authority as captain cannot be questioned, as he has attained and secured his position on the basis of the command structure hierarchy.

    "This sense of personal integrity is core to ISTJs, and goes beyond their own minds – ISTJ personalities adhere to established rules and guidelines regardless of cost, reporting their own mistakes and telling the truth even when the consequences for doing so could be disastrous." Picard will follow the established guidelines of authority wherever they may take him. If the course wanders from those strict guidelines, he will take whatever measures are necessary to re-establish that course (as long as they don't violate the Prime Directive or any other institutionally-governed guidelines).

    "ISTJs have sharp, fact-based minds, and prefer autonomy and self-sufficiency to reliance on someone or something. Dependency on others is often seen by ISTJs as a weakness, and their passion for duty, dependability and impeccable personal integrity forbid falling into such a trap." While Picard does often ask for the advice and opinions of his top crew members, it is only because they have established themselves as securely as Picard in accordance with the hierarchy and because it is the captain's duty to do so - but only as duty commands.

    "Duty" is the key to understanding the ISTJ type, and Picard has referred to his duty several times in the three episodes I have watched so far.

    "ISTJs seek stability and security, considering it their duty to maintain a smooth operation..." On several occasions I've heard Picard commanding that his ship be maintained in smooth operation and other terms to that effect.

    There is zero doubt that Jean-Luc Picard is the ISTJ personality type. "Steady as she goes, Number One."
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    I've researched the topic of Picard's MBTI type via the ever-wonderful Google search, and it seems to be almost always if not always the consensus that Picard is the INTJ type, with ENTJ as a second possibility. Did I say "consensus"? Perhaps I should have written "mass-delusion."
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