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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
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    People just pick and choose to make it fit their theory. You alone went from ENTJ to ENFP for Cuddy.


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    Well, yeah. That's because I saw her actions more in-depth and decided Ni doesn't fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Well, no. All that's required is for them to fit the functional order of an N type. Foreman and Taub for example, are not very comfortable with intuitive thinking (preferring to use Te, poking holes in other peoples' theories), but they both show flashes of Ni (foresight), and no Si (reliance on memory and experience). Ergo, they are both INTJ, as opposed to ISTJ. Then there's Cuddy, who shows signs of Ne (hypothesizing, theories, zany ideas plucked from thin air) used in support of Te (organization and efficient management) and Fi (values), which means she is either Ne Fi Te Si (ENFP), or Te Si Ne Fi (ESTJ). She's nowhere near enough of a hardass for the latter, so I guessed the former. And so on, and so forth.
    ....I don't even know where to begin! S types can never have flashes of foresight? Foreman doesn't use Si? I don't think that you really understand Si, to be honest. Foreman is always relying on previous experiences and is usually the one to challenge House's crazy ideas. He's methodical and, on the whole, pretty linear in his thinking. Does that mean he can never have moments of insight? Of course not. Does it mean that he isn't a great doctor and valuable asset to House's team? No. I think you're expanding Te's definition to cover more than it actually does cover. It's a judgement function, and it doesn't dictate the way that people perceive the world.

    I think you're being way too stereotypical in your typing, for a lot of reasons. A person of a certain type doesn't have to act any particular way. The functions are preferences, but they don't preclude, say, sensors from ever using intuition or vice versa. I strongly suspect that, whether consciously or not, you're equating intuition with intelligence in your typing, which is a mistake.

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    I've never known Cuddy to be zany, impulsive, bubbly or what not. She's the take-charge type and actually needs to be engaged to be playful. Not to mention she follows a strict routine that would drive *any* ENFP up the wall. She can instantly estimate what consequences the crazy acts of House will have on the hospital again and predicts his most of his crazy moves with remarkable accuracy.

    Seriously. ENTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokie912 View Post
    S types can never have flashes of foresight?
    Balanced SPs often do, as they're lower Ni users. ISxPs especially.

    Foreman doesn't use Si? I don't think that you really understand Si, to be honest. Foreman is always relying on previous experiences and is usually the one to challenge House's crazy ideas. He's methodical and, on the whole, pretty linear in his thinking.
    Te, not Si. Si is falling back on experience, memory and the established order, whereas Te challenges concepts and ideas to see whether they work. Foreman is highly likely to do the latter, while not likely at all to fall back on his own education or be a dick about rules (He's in fact as likely to break them as House is under stress -- further pointing to inferior Se).

    I think you're being way too stereotypical in your typing, for a lot of reasons. A person of a certain type doesn't have to act any particular way. The functions are preferences, but they don't preclude, say, sensors from ever using intuition or vice versa. I strongly suspect that, whether consciously or not, you're equating intuition with intelligence in your typing, which is a mistake.
    Not at all. Even if a correlation between type and intelligence exists, it is wholly irrelevant to the typing of fictional characters as fictional characters do not exist in the real world (Ninth Doctor: Genius ESFP, Howard Wolowitz: genius ESTP, etc). I an equating functional order to type, including which lower functions each type uses (SJs use Ne, SPs use Ni, and so on).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    I've never known Cuddy to be zany, impulsive, bubbly or what not. She's the take-charge type and actually needs to be engaged to be playful. Not to mention she follows a strict routine that would drive *any* ENFP up the wall. She can instantly estimate what consequences the crazy acts of House will have on the hospital again and predicts his most of his crazy moves with remarkable accuracy.

    Seriously. ENTJ.

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    Great point. Yeah, ENTJ it is.
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    I'm wondering if Foreman might not be an unsociable ENTJ, rather than INTJ. He seems to use Te significantly more than Ni, which is why he's so much stuffier than the average INTJ. Further his Se is a bit strong to be inferior given he often relies on it, and he's very obviously C-dominant (the man is a fucking robot), suggesting that Fi might be his inferior function.

    On that note, let's try for full profiles of the characters:

    House- ENTP, 5w4 sp/sx, RLUE|I|, Architect (Rational)
    Cuddy- ENTJ, 3w2 so/sp, SC|O|AN, Field Marshal (Rational)
    Wilson- INFJ, 2w1 so/sx, RCO|A|I, Counselor (Idyllic)
    Cameron- ENFJ, 2w1 sx/so, SCO|A|I, Teacher (Idyllic)
    Chase- ISTP, 9w8 sp/sx, |R|LOEI, Architect (Rational)
    Foreman- ENTJ, 6w5 so/sp, R|C|OEI, Inspector (Guardian)
    Thirteen- ENFP, 3w4 sp/sx, |S|LUEI, Inventor (Rational)
    Taub- INTJ, 6w5 sp/so, RCO|E|I, Inspector (Guardian)
    Kutner- ESTP, 7w8 sx/so, SL|U|EI, Inventor (Rational)
    Amber- ESTJ, 8w7 sp/so, SLO|E|I, Promoter (Artisan)
    Lucas- INTP, 5w4 sx/sp, RCUE|I|, Architect (Rational)
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    haha, ok, i'll play some. i agree with a lot of these, actually. and left off the characters i just don't know well enough, i slacked on the later seasons

    House: ESTP 5w6 sp/sx RLUE|I|
    i don't see the w4 in house as much as a phobic 6 - "everyone lies" and all
    Cuddy: ENTJ 3w2 so/sp SC|O|AN
    Wilson: INFJ 9w1 so/sx RCO|A|I
    hard to decide between 9 and 2, but i think 9 with so
    Cameron: ENFJ 2w1 sx/so SLO|A|I
    i see wilson being much more inside his own head than cameron, who is more attuned to the outer world. cameron also has that warm/cold switch that ENFJs are excellent at, while wilson seems more baseline reserved, like an I.
    Chase: ISTP 3w2 sp/sx RCO|E|I
    Foreman: ISTJ 6w5 so/sp SCOEI

    possible that amber's a 3w4 too

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    House, SP? House is one of the most obviously Ne-dominant characters I've ever seen, and I watch Doctor Who. And I really do think w4 -- the guy is clearly just depressed and emo. I actually identified very strongly with him at one point in my life.

    Wilson- indeed a toughie, although given that he's so damn helpful and all (to House's endless mockery) I picked 2.

    Cameron- You're right, what the hell was I thinking typing her a C.

    Chase- Primary E is right, but I do think he's an L. He definitely lost his cool after killing Duvalla (sp).

    Foreman- Foreman has the demeanor of an ISTJ, but I really don't think he uses any Si at all. He has more or less as much respect for the rules as House, but he's still less crazy than House because of the "grounding" effect of Te. All he ever does in differentials is poke practical holes into House's zany theories. He further does show occasional Se use (House indeed hired him precisely because of it), as well as some Ni use (on occasion he'll predict what House does before he does it). I don't see how he's Sociable though.

    Amber is too vicious for a 3. She's 8, through and through.
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