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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    I use the Keirsey system because the
    It's like pretty much every person here is judging the beauty contest by a different competition. Because of the simple fact that you just can't read peoples' minds or view the intangible. It's a hopeless cause, and makes it that much easier for you to project qualities onto someone.

    Well, I take that back. You can view the intangible when it becomes visible through action.
    Can't you then just as easily project your own meaning on to the person's actions? Motives are closed off to all but the performer, and even then sometimes closed off to them as well. So while an action might mean one thing to you, it can have a completely different connotation for the performer. Meaning is entirely subjective.

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    I would agree that Jack Sparrow is ESTP. He's slick, but it's all improv..mastery of and adapting to the moment. Almost seemingly accidental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I'm using neo-Jungian typology, not MBTI.
    something new

    When I say someone is ISFP I just mean he's Fi dominant and Se auxiliary, in terms of Jung's functions.
    but this delusion is from MBT, not from Jung's typology

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    Winston Churchill - ENFJ

    P.S. MBT has a lot of sense by good describing of preferences wich are designated by 4-letter code resulting in 16 types; this 4-letter code itself describes preferences and nothing more. If author thinks that qualities of his types do not correleate with MBT's preferences he should not use conventional signs of preferences from MBT.

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    PEST that STEPs on PETS stellar renegade's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    actually I was watching the Inside the Actor's Studio on Will Smith last night and he DID seem very ExFP to me, but more S than N... if you watched how he interacted with the audience and the camera he was VERY present and in the moment, and I've never gotten that sense while watching an ENFP, or any N for that matter... sorry people

    ... come to think of it, that man had a work ethic that any ExTJ would be envious of as well
    I definitely believe it, but just to make sure we're clear, I was identifying the character Fresh Prince as distinct from Will Smith. And we SPs can have a good work ethic ...if the work is something we're interested in.

    Quote Originally Posted by valentine View Post
    Can't you then just as easily project your own meaning on to the person's actions? Motives are closed off to all but the performer, and even then sometimes closed off to them as well. So while an action might mean one thing to you, it can have a completely different connotation for the performer. Meaning is entirely subjective.
    But you don't have to evaluate meaning, just overall action over the span of that person's life.
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    Will is an ENFP. Stop taking my brother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post
    Will is an ENFP. Stop taking my brother.
    The actor or Fresh Prince? Please give some kind of reasoning behind just your say-so.
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    This is a pretty good list. There are some I'm on the fence about, but for the most part I think it's right.
    Artes, Scientia, Veritasiness

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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    The actor or Fresh Prince? Please give some kind of reasoning behind just your say-so.
    He's totally on the fence, since he is a character in a show, because I could see him going either way - and the same could be said about Captain Kirk. I rather hear, from the fact that he is often typed as an ENFP, why he isn't one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    Mister Sytpg is the second person to question my unofficial Promoter ESTP Hall of Fame in my signature.

    Must we go through this one by one? Apparently we must. :rolli:


    Andrew WK - reckless partier, fun-loving instigator taking the world by storm with simple melodies to make your lungs burst like helium balloons ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Billy Idol - badass rebellious rocker punching the air like a motherfucker ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Captain Jack Sparrow - clever sunuvabitch owning every smug fuck in the immediate vicinity, AND A PIRATE ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Diablo Cody - ex-stripper with zero film-making experience who creates a snarky, bitingly accurate movie novella about the life of a pregnant teenager that captures worldwide imagination ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    The Fonz - chick-magnet biker dude who could banish Osama bin Laden with a snap of his fingers ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Sydney Fife - clever son of a gun who knows what you're thinking at any given point of time and can singlehandedly triple your business income with a quick advertisting campaign ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Pippi Longstocking - this nine-year-old bitch-ass girl could rip your heart out and show it to you before you die all while holding her half-ton horse up in the air with one hand but fortunately for you is content to send you running away broke with your cashmere pants down around your ankles ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Fresh Prince of Bel Air - need anything be said? The man is fresh, aiight? Fresher than your mom was right out of the shower. So fresh he could spout pick-up lines to ten girls all before they had a chance to realize he was putting the moves on them ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Frankline "Hawkeye" Pierce - this guy has class, so much class he could neck a woman, do meatball surgery AND hold a glass of wine all while smacking you blindside with quick punny witticisms that sting so bad you'd be calling for mommy ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Captain Kirk - not content to simply challenge the highest school authorities to their face, this badass motherfucker sneaked onto the Enterprise only to become Captain in a matter of hours after getting into a beatdown with the dude he replaced ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Grace Slick - iconic wild, un-tamed rocker chick that would set your hair on fire with gasoline while shoving her tongue down your throat ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Madonna - she's Madonna. ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Frank Abagnale, Jr. - successfully conned his way into the three well-known professions that are the successively top three causes of suicide in university flunk-outs ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Tyler Durden - badass motherfucker who persuades a whole generation of young adult males to beat the shit out of themselves ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Rufio - badass punk kid with a fiery rebellious streak the size of Montana, so big you'd think he grew up without a father ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Peter Pan - runs with braves, swoons foxy mermaids, and turns the most ruthless pirate into a whining ninny, with the balls to crow like a rooster while doing it, and the style to pull it off ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Robin Hood - mocks the imperial sovereignty of the reigning king, stealing riches from his fat pockets for the sake of the poor it really belongs to, inciting a nationwide revolt and turning conventional morality on its head ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Andrew Jackson - bands together a motley crew of renegade volunteers, freed slaves, pirates and natives to fight off the imperial British force - and WINS! ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Winston Churchill - tactfully led the whole of Britain through the worst war this world has ever seen with the silver-tongued voice of the poets, deftly and coolly playing his political hand like a professional poker player ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED

    Mae West - beautiful blonde actress with all the saavy snarky attitude of a political commentator ESTP TYPE CONFIRMED
    Fonz- ESFP
    Fresh Prince- ESFP
    Tyler Durden- ENTJ (SPs seem to all miss the fucking point of Fight Club )
    Churchill- INTJ

    The rest (the ones I know enough to type at least) are all correct, and all AWESOME!

    Some more:

    Katy Perry
    Teddy Roosevelt (The all-time most badass president)
    Samuel Leroy Motherfucking Jackson
    Slim Shady (The character -- Eminem himself is ISFP)
    TJ Henderson (Recess)
    Cyborg (Teen Titans)
    Aladdin (Disney movie)
    Rat (Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas)
    Elle Driver (Kill Bill)
    Vernita Green (Kill Bill)
    Jules Winnifield (Pulp Fiction)
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