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    I'm thinking INTJ. Thoughts?
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

    Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office
    than to serve and obey them. - David Hume

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    Definitely! Alot of his perspectives distourb me from an ethical point of view, however they are logically correct. I still can't bring myself to follow most of what he says. I just don't like it. You know... I would rather have integrity, be honest and blunt rather than have power and have to manage my image and what I say.

    I'm not interested in power. I'm interested in improving the external environment. Unfortunately, they often go hand in hand... But I just cannot play by Machiavelli's rules. In fact, I am brutally honest to the point where it is socially stupid. And I realize it but can't help it...

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    I was thinking ENTP with ENTJ as secondary because he was definitely outwardly directed. But I think he was N-dominant, so I'd say ENTP.

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    seems like he's Te dominant.

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    I would have thought INTJ myself. Hmm.
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    I think he's INTP or ENTP. I might be off on that second one.
    Just because I think Machiavelli is the patron of ENTPs doesn't mean he was one.

    Having actually read his work, I don't get a very INTJ vibe from him.
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    So far I've found almost nothing of his that I disagree with. I have always stressed the importance of appearance vs. what is actually done, even before I read his work. I suspect that is a difference though between ENTJ and INTJ. Power on the throne vs. power behind the throne.
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    So far I've found almost nothing of his that I disagree with. I have always stressed the importance of appearance vs. what is actually done, even before I read his work. I suspect that is a difference though between ENTJ and INTJ. Power on the throne vs. power behind the throne.
    Yes. That's why Keirsey named the ENTJ "Field Marshal" and the INTJ "Mastermind".

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    Ultimate INTJ.

    He wrote the book about how to be an INTJ.... (yes I've read it).

    Did his knowledge help him ? Well that's the fate of many an INTJ.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by developer View Post
    Ultimate INTJ.
    He wrote the book about how to be an INTJ.... (yes I've read it).
    Wow, so he was a prognosticator too!

    If you're talking about The Prince, I read that too and didn't think INTJ. But it's been a number of years. Maybe it is worth a reread.
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