INTJ "Intelligent" Myth

[Spamtar]

Your SW Horoscope™ for today says you are likely to be eaten by a grue.

Last week I was frayed by Groo and this week I be eaten by a grue. What are the odds!




Groo the Wanderer

 

[onemoretime]

Keep it up, the off topic whining is really convincing.

My response was perfectly on topic--that's why it's in this thread and not another one. It's not "rude" to respond to a publicly posted question in a public thread, and in no way does it prevent Z from also responding when he wants to.

If you don't want to read my posts, you have an ignore button for a reason. If you feel that they're off topic, please feel free to report them to mods. I'm sure that if your concerns have merit, my supposedly inappropriate posts will be moved or deleted.

No need for that.

 

[Zarathustra]

Is an Ni dom really telling me I'm slipping too far into relativism?

Yes.

Take it is as a signal.

 

[simulatedworld]

Yes.

Take it is as a signal.

I can't help but think it's just Te talking...

 

[IZthe411]

Technically, Intelligence is. This being tendency of NT having more potential of "umbrella". We can learn social ability but it's pretty difficult to learn how the universe works.

Why is it so hard to learn about the universe? I'd say it's harder to learn social ability because people, unlike the universe are very unique and social ability is not a one size fits all approach. The universe, for the most part, is not changing. It's vast and infinite, so there's always something to learn, and anbyody can pick up a text book and learn the universe. There's no learning social ability without actually going out there and socializing, which is not the forte of most INTJs.

 

[Zarathustra]

Honest question, what is that reason? I can't come up with a good answer myself.

It's a very complicated answer.

Much more complicated than the overly simplistic answer Sim's Ti seems to be obsessing over.

 

[simulatedworld]

It's a very complicated answer.

Much more complicated than the overly simplistic answer Sim's Ti seems to be obsessing over.

Could you explain it?

 

[Zarathustra]

I can't help but think it's just Te talking...

I can't help but thinking that your thought-path is too simplistic.

 

[Loxias]

Why is it so hard to learn about the universe? I'd say it's harder to learn social ability because people, unlike the universe are very unique and social ability is not a one size fits all approach. The universe, for the most part, is not changing. It's vast and infinite, so there's always something to learn, but anbyody can pick up a text book and learn the universe. There's no learning social ability without actually going out there and socializing, which is not the forte of most INTJs.

The universe includes social interactions. The mechanisms that rule them ultimately derive from the mechanisms that rule the universe.
To the NT mind they can therefore be analysed in a similar manner.

 

[simulatedworld]

I can't help but thinking that your thought-path is too simplistic.

Well I must admit I am pretty simple-minded. Could you break it down in lay men's terms for me?

 

[Zarathustra]

Could you explain it?

And do it justice? Probably not.

I know when I can give a full answer to something.

On this, I can't. And neither can you.

Your thought-path is certainly part of the overall picture.

But it's not the whole thing.

I will ponder it more, and get back to you later.

If I didn't have 500 bankrupt companies that I had to pore over and build a database of by tomorrow morning, I might start doing it right now.

 

[simulatedworld]

K, thanks. Looking forward to your answer (no sarcasm.)

 

[onemoretime]

It's a very complicated answer.

Can't wait to hear it.

 

[Zarathustra]

It'll be a doozy. (no sarcasm)

 

[IZthe411]

The fact of the matter is that while there are different kinds of intelligences, certain kinds of intelligence help you "get ahead" in the world more than others.

That's the type of intelligence that's generally measured in standardized tests (although emotional intelligence isn't, and that certainly helps you get ahead, especially when combined with the intelligence that is tested by standardized tests).

Get ahead in school, and maybe some entry level job. As you move up the ladder, and get more responisbility, you are required to use other skills. Even if you do work someplace where the NT approach is encouraged, even rewarded, you'll find that the overally culture of the place is cutthroat, backstabbing and abrasive. You lose some good potential as well, because they'd rather work somewhere with people who possess a soul. That type of atmosphere is doable, but when it's all said and done, it's not worth it, especially if everything you are fighting for you never realize.

 

[IZthe411]

The universe includes social interactions. The mechanisms that rule them ultimately derive from the mechanisms that rule the universe.
To the NT mind they can therefore be analysed in a similar manner.

And they couldn't by an NF, SP, or SJ who took the time and read it, and analyzed it? It might come natuarlly to an NT through preference, but if I took the time to dive into the deeper stuff I'd eventually get it too. It's not that hard to undertstand, but it might not be my first choice to study it. Especially with all of the theory that goes on and on and on. Just not my thing. But I could and would get it.

 

[Loxias]

And they couldn't by an NF, SP, or SJ who took the time and read it, and analyzed it? It might come natuarlly to an NT through preference, but if I took the time to dive into the deeper stuff I'd eventually get it too. It's not that hard to undertstand, but it might not be my first choice to study it. Especially with all of the theory that goes on and on and on. Just not my thing. But I could and would get it.

Of course it could come to all types, through their preferences. No one holds the best, most effective way.

 

[IZthe411]

Of course it could come to all types, through their preferences. No one holds the best, most effective way.

Maybe not effective, but NTs could get the efficiency award.

 

[onemoretime]

And do it justice? Probably not.

I know when I can give a full answer to something.

On this, I can't. And neither can you.

Your thought-path is certainly part of the overall picture.

But it's not the whole thing.

I will ponder it more, and get back to you later.

If I didn't have 500 bankrupt companies that I had to pore over and build a database of by tomorrow morning, I might start doing it right now.

You don't need to justify taking as much time as you need to answer the question. We'll wait with anticipation. :hi:

 

[Jaguar]

Fe smells fake in this room.