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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    We could of course lighten up sometimes, but apparently that is a learned ability.
    But it's really awesome when you guys learn it
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    If you have any statistics that you could point me to, please do so; otherwise, refrain from responding with your useless observations and negligible injections.
    Why are you such a dick? Honestly. Did daddy inject you with his own "negligence" when you were a child? C'mon man. Don't make yourself and all other INTJs look like self-servile, hard headed dolts. Intelligent people act intelligently, tactfully, and don't throw around ad hominems like some animal, snapping at the people trying to feed it. That's what this conversation looks like. A crocodile is being revived by Steve Erwin; so then it impulsively snaps back because its reptilian brain is too underdeveloped to distinguish friend from foe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tater Typhoon View Post
    I hope this supplements the conversation: SaneThoughts.com
    This is a good article.

    Thanks Tater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tater Typhoon View Post
    Why are you such a dick? Honestly. Did daddy inject you with his own "negligence" when you were a child? C'mon man. Don't make yourself and all other INTJs look like self-servile, hard headed dolts. Intelligent people act intelligently, tactfully, and don't throw around ad hominems like some animal, snapping at the people trying to feed it. That's what this conversation looks like. A crocodile is being revived by Steve Erwin; so then it impulsively snaps back because its reptilian brain is too underdeveloped to distinguish friend from foe.
    Why? Because I tire of his pointless replies which do little to advance the argument and do everything to make him seem like a haughty teenager who just read his first philosophical work and now thinks he is in a position to profess his "insight" to others. What conversation is he "feeding"? His responses are inane. Of course, he is far from the only one who does this, but he targets me so I direct it at him.

    Respect and courtesy to those who deserve it.

    Reverentia merenda est.
    "Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily."
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    So I went looking for "intelligence" in the MBTI Manual to see if there were any quotable type-specific points of pride. In the index they have just the one page reference which led one to a sentence expressing an interesting suggestion:

    "[I]ntelligence can be seen as a result of effective command of perception and judgment; that is, more information is taken in accurately, and better judgments are made."
    Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated, meant, "This is extremely unusual."

    Boy meets Grr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    Why? Because I tire of his pointless replies which do little to advance the argument and do everything to make him seem like a haughty teenager who just read his first philosophical work and now thinks he is in a position to profess his "insight" to others. What conversation is he "feeding"? His responses are inane. Of course, he is far from the only one who does this, but he targets me so I direct it at him.

    Respect and courtesy to those who deserve it.

    Reverentia merenda est.
    And you do realize that you deserve to be reciprocated in the same manner, right? Irreverence recycles irreverence.

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    What Is Intelligence, Anyway?

    What is intelligence, anyway? When I was in the army, I received the kind of aptitude test that all soldiers took and, against a normal of 100, scored 160. No one at the base had ever seen a figure like that, and for two hours they made a big fuss over me. (It didn’t mean anything. The next day I was still a buck private with KP – kitchen police – as my highest duty.)

    All my life I’ve been registering scores like that, so that I have the complacent feeling that I’m highly intelligent, and I expect other people to think so too. Actually, though, don’t such scores simply mean that I am very good at answering the type of academic questions that are considered worthy of answers by people who make up the intelligence tests – people with intellectual bents similar to mine?

    For instance, I had an auto-repair man once, who, on these intelligence tests, could not possibly have scored more than 80, by my estimate. I always took it for granted that I was far more intelligent than he was. Yet, when anything went wrong with my car I hastened to him with it, watched him anxiously as he explored its vitals, and listened to his pronouncements as though they were divine oracles – and he always fixed my car.

    Well, then, suppose my auto-repair man devised questions for an intelligence test. Or suppose a carpenter did, or a farmer, or, indeed, almost anyone but an academician. By every one of those tests, I’d prove myself a moron, and I’d be a moron, too. In a world where I could not use my academic training and my verbal talents but had to do something intricate or hard, working with my hands, I would do poorly. My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in and of the fact that a small subsection of that society has managed to foist itself on the rest as an arbiter of such matters.

    Consider my auto-repair man, again. He had a habit of telling me jokes whenever he saw me. One time he raised his head from under the automobile hood to say: “Doc, a deaf-and-mute guy went into a hardware store to ask for some nails. He put two fingers together on the counter and made hammering motions with the other hand. The clerk brought him a hammer. He shook his head and pointed to the two fingers he was hammering. The clerk brought him nails. He picked out the sizes he wanted, and left. Well, doc, the next guy who came in was a blind man. He wanted scissors. How do you suppose he asked for them?”

    Indulgently, I lifted by right hand and made scissoring motions with my first two fingers. Whereupon my auto-repair man laughed raucously and said, “Why, you dumb jerk, He used his voice and asked for them.” Then he said smugly, “I’ve been trying that on all my customers today.” “Did you catch many?” I asked. “Quite a few,” he said, “but I knew for sure I’d catch you.” “Why is that?” I asked. “Because you’re so goddamned educated, doc, I knew you couldn’t be very smart.”

    And I have an uneasy feeling he had something there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    Why? Because I tire of his pointless replies which do little to advance the argument and do everything to make him seem like a haughty teenager who just read his first philosophical work and now thinks he is in a position to profess his "insight" to others. What conversation is he "feeding"? His responses are inane. Of course, he is far from the only one who does this, but he targets me so I direct it at him.

    Respect and courtesy to those who deserve it.

    Reverentia merenda est.
    Lex, there's a difference between "targeting" and offering advice.

    If you had any social skills, you'd know the difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SaneThoughts.com
    Hollingworth points out that the exceptionally gifted do not deliberately choose isolation, but are forced into it against their wills.

    These superior children are not unfriendly or ungregarious by nature. Typically they strive to play with others but their efforts are defeated by the difficulties of the case… Other children do not share their interests, their vocabulary, or their desire to organize activities. They try to reform their contemporaries but finally give up the struggle and play alone, since older children regard them as “babies,” and adults seldom play during hours when children are awake. As a result, forms of solitary play develop, and these, becoming fixed as habits, may explain the fact that many highly intellectual adults are shy, ungregarious, and unmindful of human relationships, or even misanthropic and uncomfortable in ordinary social intercourse [3, p. 262].
    Isn't Hollingsworth's work a bit out-of-date?
    The article seems to suggest that introverted behaviour is a result of high IQ, rather than just a correlate of it. (Also, there is a strong suggestion that it is dysfunctional).

    I was supposedly a "gifted" child, but my anti-social/introverted tendencies were in evidence from early infancy, which I understand is the norm, and supports the (now) generally accepted view that introversion/extraversion is innate.
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    Why? Because I tire of his pointless replies which do little to advance the argument and do everything to make him seem like a haughty teenager who just read his first philosophical work and now thinks he is in a position to profess his "insight" to others.
    Also, with regards to your odd obsession with "haughty teenagers who just read their first philosophical work and now think themselves in a position to profess their 'insight' to others": stop projecting, kid.

    I'm not some 20-yr old who just discovered Nietzsche a year ago (i.e., you).

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