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    `~~Philosoflying~~` SillySapienne's Avatar
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    truth is perceived Reality

    Truth = Reality
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post


    I agree with everything you wrote, here.

    Seriously.
    Well, if you agree, it shows that you are more reasonable than I first gave you credit.
    "Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily."
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    Btw people, all of this thinking can best be viewed through the lens of Aristotle's four causes...

    So, remember that our ancestors were pretty brilliant people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Isn't that kind of at odds with what you and Z were saying earlier in the thread about discerning perception vs. absolute truth?
    Maybe you should try reading Heidegger.

    Check out the essay "On the Essence of Truth".

    Not easy reading, but it's illuminating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    truth is perceived Reality

    Truth = Reality
    Yes, but since we cannot know anything about reality except via perception, how can we know anything about real truth or non-perceived reality?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    But everything is, all perceptions exist.

    Does the existence of somthing make it real?

    Yes.

    Are dreams real?

    Oh dear, determinism and reductionistic reasoning make my mind go mushy-gushy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    Well, if you agree, it shows that you are more reasonable than I first gave you credit.
    Yeah, Lex, as plenty of people are.

    Once you get off your fucking obsessive need to put yourself on a high horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Yes, but since we cannot know anything about reality except via perception, how can we know anything about real truth or non-perceived reality?
    Once again:

    I used to think I knew everything; then I thought I knew everything when I thought no one knew anything; now I think that I know something since I know that no one knows whether they know anything, even if they know something.

    - Zarathustra, Myspace profile

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    Alright, I've thoroughly enjoyed this discussion, but I really must be leaving.

    Peace out, nuckas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Yes, but since we cannot know anything about reality except via perception, how can we know anything about real truth or non-perceived reality?
    Are you a solipsist?




    hahahaha, oy vey, good points, good points, this conversation needs to happen in a comfy room, with beverages and ambient music in the background.
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