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    Silly is trying to say that there is a universal concept of selfishness and altruism, regardless of type. Fi,Ne, and Te inaction.

    simulated responds by saying that is irrelevant to the point - which is that selfishness and altruism are individually perceived and judged, conditioned by type and/or personal perspective. Ne, Ti, and Fe inaction.

    It's awesome possum to see people arguing about functional analysis because they cannot analyze their own functions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post



    Reading this reminds me of how in certain circumstances infanticide can be not only justified, but altruistic.
    Infanticide is justifiable because a baby suckles on its mother's nipple?

    No surprise that we're declining as a civilization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    "All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth."
    --Nietzsche
    Sim, no offense, but I'm confident that I'm much more familiar with Nietzsche than you, so just be wary of throwing his quotes around like that...

    I will bite...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    The one thing you forgot to consider is that, just maybe, having strong Fi along with Fe, enables her to separate (false) perception from reality, and she knows deep down that Fi is indeed not selfish.
    I don't see that you've provided any reliable means of separating false perception from reality. How would you know if your perception of true reality were false?

    I would agree that no function is inherently selfish on its own, but that use of some functions can, at times, appear selfish to others who are not predisposed toward those functions.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    Hahaha. This thread is brilliant.

    I assume it was created as a response to the "ESFPs are stupid myth." This is what it's come to? You're comforting yourselves by attempting to "prove" that INTJ intelligence is a "myth" using your twisted logic and nitpicking of individual INTJs?

    Absolutely hilarious.

    The only "myth" here is your delusional belief in type equality.
    INTJs do tend to be intelligent, wanna cookie?

    As for social and interpersonal intelligence, *in general*, like your INTP bruthas, y'all tend to suckus maximus.

    So, please continue to be intellectually superior as you masturbate to anime on a perpetual and pathetic basis while ESFPs are having the time of their lives, and getting plenty laid, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Sim, no offense, but I'm confident that I'm much more familiar with Nietzsche than you, so just be wary of throwing his quotes around like that...

    I will bite...

    I would like that, actually. I don't doubt your superior familiarity with Nietzsche; I just find it strange that an INTJ who's big enough on Nietzsche to use Zarathustra as his handle would believe in the idea of absolute truth in the first place.

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    You're fucking retarded, dude.
    NO HE'S NOT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR INTJs TO BE DUMB!!!!!!!!!!
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    Absolute truth = Reality
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    More Nietzsche that seems to clash with the idea of "distinguishing truth from perception":

    "There are no eternal facts, as there are no absolute truths."

    "There are no facts, only interpretations."

    "There are no moral phenomena at all, but only a moral interpretation of phenomena."


    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    Absolute truth = Reality
    You cannot perceive reality without being subject to your own perceptual biases.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I don't see that you've provided any reliable means of separating false perception from reality. How would you know if your perception of true reality were false?

    I would agree that no function is inherently selfish on its own, but that use of some functions can, at times, appear selfish to others who are not predisposed toward those functions.
    I used to think I knew everything; then I thought I knew everything when I thought no one knew anything; now I think that I know something since I know that no one knows whether they know anything, even if they know something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    More Nietzsche that seems to clash with the idea of "distinguishing truth from perception":

    "There are no eternal facts, as there are no absolute truths."

    "There are no facts, only interpretations."

    "There are no moral phenomena at all, but only a moral interpretation of phenomena."




    You cannot perceive reality without being subject to your own perceptual biases.
    Yes, I know all these quotes, and am very familiar with each and every one of them.

    Hence, my warning.

    Because I'm past them.

    As Nietzsche wanted the philosophers of the future to be.

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