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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Sorry, Sim, edited that post like 1,000 times before I just finished.

    (that's how I roll)
    Ok, just caught up. What would constitute objective, non-relative selfishness?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    So it really isn't selfishness, on the part of Ti or Fi. Selfishness is solely an issue of maturity, and this forum in particular has a bad habit of blaming immature behavior on types.
    Thank you!!!



    A recipe for Selfishness: Immaturity, insecurity with a dash of Alexithymia and a splash of solipsism

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Cuddling is good for the soul. It's science! btw, edited above post if you care to respond to the latter section.
    I'm awake at 1 in the morning cuz I'm supposed to be finishing a database, not arguing. Another time, broseph.

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Well, okay, but wouldn't differing perceptions of selfishness + the fact that neither is objectively correct imply that perception of selfishness is relative?
    Exactly. Note the perception part of your (re)statement.

    Perception of selfishness is relative. Not selfishness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Ok, just caught up. What would constitute objective, non-relative selfishness?
    Sim, we both know you're smart enough to come up with that answer on your own.

    Here, I promise this much: I'll have an Fe cuddlefest with you if you do...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I'm awake at 1 in the morning cuz I'm supposed to be finishing a database, not arguing. Another time, broseph.
    I'm awake at 4 in the morning cause I'm an insomniac loser on the east coast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Exactly. Not the perception part of your (re)statement.

    Perception of selfishness is relative. Not selfishness.
    By what means other than perception does one become aware of selfishness, exactly?


    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Sim, we both know you're smart enough to come up with that answer on your own.

    Here, I promise this much: I'll have an Fe cuddlefest with you if you do...

    The problem seems to be that all assessments of selfishness are subject to perceptual bias.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Cuddling is good for the soul.
    I complete agree with this statement.

    Which reminds me, babe, are you coming over tonight?


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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    By what means other than perception does one become aware of selfishness, exactly?
    Look at my edit: not=note...

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    What is the relevance here? What point are you trying to make in relation to what we were talking about?
    It honestly frightens me that you don't get what I'm talking about.

    :confused:

    Perhaps you'll ingest Z's definitions because he's an NT like you, :rolli:

    I'm discussing Selfishness versus Altruism.

    There is a spectrum; on the individual level, the monkey sphere level, as well as the species level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    The problem seems to be that all assessments of selfishness are subject to perceptual bias.
    True, so the onus on the intelligent perceiver is to separate those circumstances when the perception of selfishness is caused by differing function type from those times when perception of selfishness is caused by actual selfishness.

    Smart people distinguish truth from perception.

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    I think it boils down to intentions, which are either to help or harm, regardless of Fi or Fe.

    Those who truly are selfish, know when they are, because selfishness takes on a form of conscious manipulation, degradation, to place others in a position of disadvantage so that we get our needs met first.

    There's a strong social component of me vs. we.

    For instance: when a baby feeds off of its mother's nipples, the act can be seen as an act of selfishness, when skewed from that p.o.v., but the baby's intent is not to harm. The act of feeding onto a mother and needing that care can also be an act of cooperation so that the child grows up to become a productive citizen, who helps out the clan for the greater good for specie's survival. How is that selfish? JMO.

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