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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    About 25% of people are Ns
    About 50%, most likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol_ View Post
    About 50%, most likely.
    Really... want to give a brief explanation of that? Or why all other estimates got it so wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    most descriptions given describe functions in rather vague ways instead of using real world examples, which make the MBTI a lot more fun and interesting to someone in tune with the real world

    more intuitives would probably find that approach at least interesting as well!
    I think this approach would tend to be more exciting and interesting to people because it is more connected to a person's life.

    The approach you described is the main thrust of discussions on this forum. There are a few times it is initially addressed in a theoretical way, but it quickly evolves into descriptions of actual people and experiences from real life.
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    I don't think we're over-assigning tremendously if we're looking at the population who actually post on this forum. While members might have an incorrect type at the beginning, over time they'll probably figure out what their true type is as they delve deeper into the theory.

    I know for myself... I went through all the IXSX types before finally arriving at ISFJ. It took reading the profile several times, for all of it to finally click together. Reading up about functions only helped cement my understanding. While at times I wished to be an INFJ for the reasons mentioned earlier, what I wish for and what I am are two totally different matters. It doesn't really matter anymore.

    People who are honest with themselves and seek to understand themselves will eventually find their true type. People here are more likely to be interested in seeking out the truth about their personality than others, so I figure it's not totally inaccurate.

    I guess if you really want to figure out things statistically. Just use the members with +100 or +200 to determine the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    I always thought the bolded was equally, if not more, made up of sp's. Also this environment has a serious case of N worship overall. Of course we are going to want to put an n on anything "creative" or "exceptional".
    Can you imagine someone not making the connection of SP 'Artisan,' with an artist?
    Artists -or anyone- with exceptional perception of color are using Se.
    How someone cannot know that, is nothing short of shocking.

    Are all ISFPs artists? No.
    But it's no shocker this profile of an ISFP is called, 'The Artist.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    I always thought the bolded was equally, if not more, made up of sp's. Also this environment has a serious case of N worship overall. Of course we are going to want to put an n on anything "creative" or "exceptional".


    You're right -- sorry, I wasn't paying attention to what I was saying, as I was rushed to get out of the house.

    The main reason I think we assign so many N's are that a lot of what we're talking about are fictional characters created in writers heads, and that a lot of writers who get famous enough for us to type their characters are N's themselves
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    I just don't get the idea that people have that Sensors can't imagine things and be creative... take a good description of someone or something from a book- a good author can make you smell the leaves that are crunching underfoot, or make you taste and sense the texture of the cake that someone is eating or make you feel the texture of the man's skin as the woman runs her hand across it... the author couldn't describe that without using Se and Si... feel it so intensely that the feeling sticks in your memory, so that you can recall it in such detail as to describe it well to others in the future- that's Sensing

    A Sensor might be less likely to set a story in a make beleive land, but it would certainly not be out of question to write a novel basing characters on people who I know- people with quirks, with pasts, with relationships- a good number of characters in literature are based on people that the author knows! (why do you think that there's regions of California where you still should not mention the name Steinbeck to the elderly?)

    Many plots in stories are based on real life events, or the logical conclusions that can follow up a What If? question... :rolli:

    the idea that a sensor cannot be a great author is rediculous- I think that a lot of intuitives around here refuse to recognize that Sensors ARE capable of creating insightful and creative things- we all have S and N... it's the use of BOTH of them that creates a good story!

    Just because an Intuitive CONNECTS with the character doesn't mean that the character or author are Intuitive themselves... some of the members on this board that I connect best with are Intuitives
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I just don't get the idea that people have that Sensors can't imagine things and be creative... take a good description of someone or something from a book- a good author can make you smell the leaves that are crunching underfoot, or make you taste and sense the texture of the cake that someone is eating or make you feel the texture of the man's skin as the woman runs her hand across it... the author couldn't describe that without using Se and Si... feel it so intensely that the feeling sticks in your memory, so that you can recall it in such detail as to describe it well to others in the future- that's Sensing
    You're so right about that! Whenever I go back to edit my novels, the one thing missing most is the surrounding scenery and what's coming in through the senses. It's always dialogue and internal thoughts. So then I have to go back and add all of the "S" things, because a novel needs to include both "S things" and "N things."

    And I agree that sensors can definitely be creative! It's just creativity in a different sense. (Literally. Haha.)

    So back to the original question of why we type more people as N's then are in the normal population. A new theory that takes into account fictional characters (since a lot of times we're typing characters from books, movies, and tv shows) is that the writers like to have characters who are different from one another in order to create conflict and different ways to view situations. Therefore, it's more likely that the characters will be half N and half S, even though this isn't equal to the real population.
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    I am one of those over-assigned people. The first MBTI test (well, KTS actually) test I ever took ended up placing me as an ISFJ. I just don't tell people that because my Fe wants for me to fit in, and with all the theoretical subtype theories, one of them has to sound like me. Of course I need you all to believe I'm a stoic type so you think nothing's going on when I send messages to Entropie that could be interpreted as expressions of latent homosexuality if you didn't know any better. (which you do, of course)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Is it because since we're a bunch of Ns, that we just like typing other Ns, or is it a bias that makes us want to type people we like as Ns like us?
    the second one.
    the Ixxx prescription is due to a misunderstanding of what Introversion is. Paris Hilton is introverted.

    Are artists putting out false N vibes of appearing "deep" and introspective?
    there are always false vibes. it's our fault for attributing it to N only (and the delusion that they aspire to N enough to fake it.)

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