Right, exactly. In the case of an NFJ (it's the easiest and most likely misconstruction) one might score as highly intuitive on the test, but very low on the J section, because the questions usually are about having a clean desk or being late to appointments.
Ni working with Fe (the NFJ functions) most definitely do not drive one to clean up their desk without being told, or to be on time for appointments, unless it's for a date or to meet a friend. They're pretty reliable in that shit.
So the NFJ, might score as an NFP, which would imply Ne and Fi, even though it's incorrect measurement.
What they ought to do, is describe the functions, but put them in context, or ask type specific questions. It would be more reliable that way.
You can talk all you want about its 'approved legitimacy' or reliability or whatever. In my experience, the tests don't hold much water. Seriously... it marked me as a damn ISTP. I don't know if I've ever Se'd. I probably have.
I mistyped myself as an INTP for a long time because of exactly that. There is no one set of "J" and "P" traits because J/P simply marks whether the main function you show off Te/Fe or Se/Ne to the world. It was when at work when my supervisor (an ENTP) poked fun at my natural tendency to "become the boss" and order people around when he wasn't there that I realized that I was showing an axillary Te to the world, and filtering information through a dominant Ni (I don't need to bounce ideas off the outside world like INTPs and ENTPs do), and I thus am an INTJ.
IMO the tests are good when it comes to F/T and S/N, they suck at the other 2.
He is probably an ENTP. He can't function without his team brainstorming ideas. Those sessions are the core of his process and they are the epitome of Ne dominance over Ti. I think he needs people so that he can be snarky and annoyed. He would be quite bored without that outlet for stirring up contention. He is quite invested in getting reactions out of people and impacting them. An extreme introvert really doesn't care so much about people's reactions. When they do, they are being less introverted.
Interestingly enough he fits the typelogic profile of the ISTP down to the last detail. I'm not certain what to make of that, but I'll throw it out there as a possibility as well.
The first man to raise a fist is the man who's run out of ideas. H.G. WELLS
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. FEYNMAN If this is monkey pee, you're on your own.SCULLY
I would argue that this is simply any NT seeking to be seen as a genius and competent at what they do.
Can any NTs argue that this isn't the case for them, intraverted or extraverted, J or P?
I'm an INTJ and I defintely don't need other people to bounce ideas off of, my ideas come almost like "revelations" out of the depths of my unconscious mind. what I will do, via Te, is to try to put them into the "outside world" so I can see if they they fit objective reality or not. The XNTJ way of thinking has much in common with the "falsificationist" philosophy of science outlined by Austrian philosopher Karl Popper (who I suspect was an INTJ), throw out any crazy Ni-ispsired idea you want as long as Te tests it in the real world to see if it;s BS or not.
XNTP thinking to mee seems more "induction-based", information comes first, which is then filtered through the individual's inner "model of how things are".
Thus INTJs and INTPs have opposite Achilles's heels, the former can forget the test their wonderful Ni-based revelations against their outside world while that latter can ignore data that conflict with their Ti-based model of the world. INTJs at their worst are cranks, INTPs at their worst are dogmatic.
Originally Posted by Xander
I am an extrovert.
I sit alone staring into blank space absent-mindedly tapping my cane on the floor whilst thinking through a problem.
I am an introvert.
Whilst walking along I have a brilliant idea and immediately engage the next person who I speak to in a conversation about it to see how it pans out when I say it out loud.
Sorry but I reckon that situation #2 is far more in keeping with what I've observed of people.
As PT was pointing out (the most damning "evidence" IMO) House comes to conclusions. He does not discuss possibilities and argue for his point of view, he states and he corrects succinctly and precisely. House leaves little room for discussion and hands out orders not suggestions. He does enjoy an argument but not for the sake of the argument but for the sake of peering over his victim and showing that he is the superior brain.
House has a team, it seems, to feed him information. House does not do scans or take blood samples or give shots he just directs. When working on a problem House is either analysing someone's response (verbally because otherwise the viewer would get bored) or is silent and is feeding off the information being tossed about. House will then sum up what the current situation is (presumably for the viewer) and then either decides if it's clear cut or will delegate the decision and the responsibility to someone else (is that not an INTJs reaction to uncertainty given the situation?).
Now to a bit of nuance on the actor...
This is a Brit trying to play an American. Now as all us Brits know you Yanks are a brash, loud, overly aggressive and extroverted lot. Even your introverts.() Hence perhaps there's a little artistic license?
I was leaning towards Nocap's ENTP argument until I read this. The bolded part sounds so much like me it's hilarious!
Ok, scratch that, I'm back to thinking he's an ENTP. More precisely he is an abused, misanthropic ENTP with Asperger's Syndrome, the last of which was strongly implied at the very least in the episode a few years ago with the autistic kid and House throwing a fit over getting to keep his blood-stained carpet. His childhood explains part of his misanthropy, the conflict between his extroversion and the issues with socializing and with social norms resulting from Asperger's Syndrome explains the rest of it. Thow in his cronic pain and symptoms of depression and you've got House.
When I've see Wilson, I've think "damn, this guy is totally the opposite of House". But he's actually near totally the opposite. They have preference for intuition in common. I think the Wilson/House relation is an INFJ/ENTP relation of supervision.
Cuddy seems to be rather affective, so ESFJ.
I've seen INTJ for Foreman, but I'm disagree because he's largely more concerned with his social role than in intellectuals issues, so an SJ rather an NT and he's very factious, he's ISTJ
Agree to type Cameron as INFJ, even if she's maybe, rather extrovert than introvert. 13 could effectively be ENFP. Amber is the ESTJ dual of Wilson.
Kutner is the most prone doctor of the team to follow the House's method: basic ESTP/ENTP relation of cooperation. He's very extrovert, practical, risk-takers and logic so, ESTP.
The only ones I'm confident on are Wilson as INFJ and Cameron as ENFJ. I would guess Chase to be an ISTP and Foreman and Taub to be INTJ. I don't really get Thirteen, but I suppose INFJ seems right. Am I the only one who gets an ENTJ read on Cuddy?
- Wilson: ISFP
- Foreman: ISTJ
- Chase: INTP (gets the most kicks out of Houses jokes and is very creative.)
- Thirteen: INTJ
- Cameron: eSFJ
- Cuddy:EN-J (I see T)
- Taub: iNTj
- Kutner: eSFP
- Vogler: ESTJ
- Amber: ESTJ