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  • INTP

    74 18.09%
  • INTJ

    121 29.58%
  • INFP

    2 0.49%
  • INFJ

    2 0.49%
  • ISTP

    4 0.98%
  • ISTJ

    4 0.98%
  • ISFP

    2 0.49%
  • ISFJ

    5 1.22%
  • ESFJ

    6 1.47%
  • ESFP

    5 1.22%
  • ESTJ

    3 0.73%
  • ESTP

    1 0.24%
  • ENFJ

    1 0.24%
  • ENFP

    1 0.24%
  • ENTJ

    25 6.11%
  • ENTP

    153 37.41%
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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    this is why the mbti test aren't very accurate...they can't see the difference between extroverted and introverted functions.
    ... I don't understand. MBTI claims they do. Why do you say they do not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    I really don't think you can. Those dichotomies mean different things for every single type. You can get close, but still screw it up even if only by a hair. Like I've said, if you know what to look for in identifying the functions, you can't go wrong. Unless you're going for a holistic analysis, the type code is at best questionable, even if it gets it right 90% of the time.
    yeah. although i honestly don't think the tests get it right even 50% of the time.

    i probably mistyped most people when all i knew about was mbti. the functions explain so much more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    I really don't think you can. Those dichotomies mean different things for every single type. You can get close, but still screw it up even if only by a hair. Like I've said, if you know what to look for in identifying the functions, you can't go wrong. Unless you're going for a holistic analysis, the type code is at best questionable, even if it gets it right 90% of the time.
    See, you can claim that you can type people perfect using functions... but that is what MBTI does. All you are saying is "I do it better than a validated instrument", to which I say - no, you really don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    *scratches head*

    That's what it is. Briggs read about Jungian views, talked to him and wanted to create a test for it. Jung said "that's not how I work", and so Briggs created a inventory for it. They tested, worked on it, etc... Eventually it drew upon the scientific method and they created step II - factor analysis, sub traits, reliability studies.

    The instrument itself was designed to find a way to type individuals. The progress of the instrument has been from Jungs approach to a scientific approach.

    (Maybe the word "validated" is throwing up the wrong message here. When I say valid, I'm using the clinical definition - that it actually reflects something meaningful - functions if you wish, but behaviour or underlying facets of personality if not. Of course, there are those that argue about the validity of a lot of instruments, and I would be among them, but as far as it goes, MBTI isn't a lightweight in this area.)
    I see your position now. Well, I suppose I saw it before, but just disagreed. It makes a little more sense now that you say you use discretion in WHICH test works.

    I still say they should ask type specific questions instead of going by the dichotomies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    ... I don't understand. MBTI claims they do. Why do you say they do not?
    okay let me think of an example question:

    you adhere to social norms while interacting with people:
    1) most of the time
    2) not really

    an mbti test would score you as an F if you answered 1.

    but Fi does not care about social norms, only Fe does.

    so an INFP or something would say 2 and get scored as a T

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    See, you can claim that you can type people perfect using functions... but that is what MBTI does. All you are saying is "I do it better than a validated instrument", to which I say - no, you really don't.
    Er... did I say that I personally can?

    I can answer that for you. No I didn't. I said that if SOMEONE knows what to look for in behavior, then they can. I don't care if it's a validated instrument. Whoever validated it went by statistics I presume, and possibly the most important sentence ever uttered in the name of science is "CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION."

    Just because it gets it right a lot of the time, doesn't mean that a person can't do better.

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    the only way to make a good test is to test for each function separately in the first round, and then use those results to ask more complex questions about function interactions

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    okay let me think of an example question:

    you adhere to social norms while interacting with people:
    1) most of the time
    2) not really

    an mbti test would score you as an F if you answered 1.

    but Fi does not care about social norms, only Fe does.

    so an INFP or something would say 2 and get scored as a T
    Perhaps not the best possible example, but it serves to illustrate the point.

    He's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    Perhaps not the best possible example, but it serves to illustrate the point.

    He's right.
    heh yeah not an amazing example but i was under time pressure. i hate it when i spend a couple of minutes on a reply and the conversation has already moved on

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    You know what I think?
    I think the writer of the script comes here and gets ideas on how he can mess with our heads.

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