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    Wandering,

    I read your post. Don't worry about coming across as too shrill. But I must say that, we seem to have reached an impasse, where the differences in opinion have grown rather large. Not that I am bothered by it - it gives me more things to think about and more information to absorb. But it seems to me that here might be a good point to pause the debate for a while (at least on my part) because I don't feel I can be as fervent as you are when it comes to discussing MBTI and Harry Potter! :)

    I think I will rethink my position on Ni and Si, both from the Hermione-perspective (Not that I'm convinced about her, mind you.) and a personal one. Some of the things you say about Ni I can pretty much relate to on a personal level. (Such as the emotional, mental dissection, and the "Duh!...". I've been trying to identify my dominant function for a while now. I think I am an intuitive, but I don't think I am Fi-dominant.) So if Ni is really similar to that which you're saying in your post ;) the actual challenge might be in exonerating myself from the admittedly flowery impressions of Ni that I've read. (not that non-flowery ones really exist, as I'm sure you know.) On the other hand, your posts have been rather vague in defining the interplay between Ni and Ti, and how Si stands relative to these functions, and I'm not sure if I agree with some of your definitions. I might be able to talk about them in greater depth, as well as the rest of your post, when I find the time tomorrow, but no promises.

    No worries. It's all discussion and fun. Though I must say that I now feel overloaded with information. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadir View Post
    But I must say that, we seem to have reached an impasse, where the differences in opinion have grown rather large.
    Not a problem For all I know, maybe someone will say something one day that will make me go "aha" and reconsider my whole idea of Hermione as an INFJ. Stranger things have happened

    I don't feel I can be as fervent as you are when it comes to discussing MBTI and Harry Potter!
    I'm nuts about both, so you can imagine what happens when you mix the two

    I've been trying to identify my dominant function for a while now. I think I am an intuitive, but I don't think I am Fi-dominant.
    I don't know about Fi either, but you're definitely an iNtuitive, for sure!

    So if Ni is really similar to that which you're saying in your post the actual challenge might be in exonerating myself from the admittedly flowery impressions of Ni that I've read. (not that non-flowery ones really exist, as I'm sure you know.)
    Yeah... I think I read somewhere that Ni is the function that's hardest to explain. It makes sense that it would be: not only is it an "abstract" function (unlike the S functions, for example, which can more easily be attached to the 5 senses, while N is more akin to something like a 6th sense), but it's also introverted (so not out there in the open for everyone to see), and a Perceiving function (I personally find the Judging functions far easier to explain and describe than the Perceiving ones). The ultimate combo of unexplainable stuff So I guess we all do the best we can at explaining Ni, but it's not a smashing success overall. Not to mention that all functions feel different to each type, depending on their "place" in the "hierarchy".

    On the other hand, your posts have been rather vague in defining the interplay between Ni and Ti, and how Si stands relative to these functions,
    Ni/Ti, I can try again if you want. Si... Well, Si is the Shadowest of all Shadow functions for an INFJ, so to say we tend to use it few and far between, and not very productively either, would be putting it mildly

    and I'm not sure if I agree with some of your definitions.
    Again, not a problem. For all I know, I'll disagree with some of my own definitions in a few months (Makes me wonder how people can stand living with us INFJs : we keep correcting our positions, if not changing them significantly, as our Ni goes from insight to insight. I think I'd drive myself mad )

    Though I must say that I now feel overloaded with information.
    Hmmm... Interesting! We both agree that you're most likely an iNtuitive. Coupled with that statement, this would orient us towards Ni rather than Ne Which in turn makes me wonder if the reason you don't "get" Ni so well is because you've been so thoroughly misled about it that you fail to identify it in yourself even though it's strongly there... Just a possibility of course, nothing more

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    Holy crap, how'd you get 95 posts already, Wandering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mempy View Post
    Holy crap, how'd you get 95 posts already, Wandering?
    Honestly? I don't know !!

    It seems to be a mix of:
    * heavy involvement in a few threads I'm deeply interested in;
    * light involvement in a bunch of odd threads;
    * small talk !

    All 3 together seem to add up real quick!

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    Ok, as I'm really bored...

    Fred and George Weasley are ENTPs, or at least ENP types. The quintessential tinkers, thinkers, and inventors - though not quite eccentric ones a la Richard Feynman. Ne is probably the fuel behind all the creativity and the general "rebellious" attitude the twins are pretty much known for considering its polar opposite Si (Not sure.). It's also how they are pretty much able to qualify as standup comedians. Ti provides an understanding of the magical systems in such a way that allows manipulation - the so-called tinkering - that results in the many practical jokes and inventions. A well developed Te-function would then be responsible for the implementation of the ideas, and the general success of their magic shop - though I am attributing that particular detail not to ENTJ leadership/ENTP entrepreneurship but simply the passion with which the freckly fellows engage their pursuits - not to mention their financial backup from a certain bespectacled boy.

    There's also their sportive side, (Quidditch and all.) that would perhaps contribute to a distant possibility of ESTP, but I don't think this really is the case.

    Molly Weasley is clearly an ESFJ. Allow me to redefine your understanding of logic, with the following sentence. I think she's an ESFJ, because she resembles my own mother in behaivour - probably an ESFJ herself, and one I get along pretty fine, thank you very much. Yeah, that was simply a juggernaut of analysis. Right?
    No?
    Well... still, it's really simple. Dominant Fe. This particular iron lady thrives on caring for her beloved ones in any way possible, at any time available, and with such fervor as it is necessary. A definite tendency to do "what's best" for the fortunate - or unfortunate - people who are in the process of being helped by this redheaded woman who'd rather lose several limbs than hurt anyone she cares for is readily discernable. Affection is readily displayed with heart-warming sincerity, worry manifests in a contagious change of facial expression, and anger justifies the existence of red hair. An immense social network of countless people, she forms in no time - look how fast Harry was absorbed within, and the Order! - and she cares for every single one of them. Si in the secondary position means that i) family is her, she is family ii) she knits and owls jumpers, as well as all sorts of edibles, every year iii) you should be nice to her and don't swear in her presence. But most importantly it means that the focus is on the present. More likely to hug or kiss than to give sage advice, so to speak. But the intention is all that matters.

    Nymphadora Tonks is, I think, an ESFP - and a clumsy one. Now I don't think I really know much about the ESFP type, bless their happy go lucky souls, but there's definitely a fun-loving streak in this character that would make me consider her as ESFP - especially given her rather enviable Metamorphmagic and her use of it as entertainment/a whim where applicable (Violet hair? Changes when she's bored?) and as stated above, her generally optimistic, joyful state of mind. Though I remember her being rather neurotic towards Lupin later - which could be indicative of Auxillary Fi, and which would make for some awkward feeling-verbalizing, probably. As for her Dominant, she's never given me an impression other than being an "in-the-moment" person - I don't remember one line of hers that contained hints of N. Also, as mentioned, her behaivour towards Lupin before they pretty much fluff it out is resembling of the drama that Harry, an ISFP himself, usually internalizes (manifesting as the contemplation of possible negative circumstances regarding any present situation).

    More later. :)
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    I stumbled onto this site which shows a Harry Potter character for each type. Pirate Monkeys Inc.

    I'm was very happy to see that Voldemort was an INTP. I can totally sympathise with him, I would love to be the one who kills Daniel Radcliffe.
    Why do we always come here?

    I guess we'll never know.

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    The practical-joking Weasley twins, and sort of Idealist? The mind boggles and revolts. They are pure-quill Artisan. Extroverted. ETSP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadir View Post

    Harry Potter is an ISFP.

    Ron Weasley... ESXP? Biggest detriment to this would be the Yule Ball. Perhaps a shy extrovert.

    Hermione Granger being INFJ is probable. Ultimately, I can't say for sure, but I'm leaning a bit more towards ISFJ.

    Severus Snape, an INTJ.

    Luna Lovegood, my favourite character. INP for sure, and certainly more introverted than Harry. not sure of the Thinking-Feeling - probably F.

    Last character I'll talk about for now. Dumbledore. Like people already said, his type is "RAWG" - Really Ancient Wise Guy. Ok, probably not. He's only the most well rounded INTJ ever.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nadir View Post
    Ok, as I'm really bored...

    Fred and George Weasley are ENTPs, or at least ENP types.


    Molly Weasley is clearly an ESFJ.


    Nymphadora Tonks is, I think, an ESFP - and a clumsy one.
    I really liked your analyses here, and I agree with most of them.

    My thoughts:

    Harry - I could see ISFP or ISTP, but I admit ISFP seems more likely.

    I think hermione is ISFJ, but purely because I've never been annoyed so much by an INFJ (and she has the absolute certainty/bull-headness of the ESFJs I know). Actually...I could see ESFJ for her, too. One of my ESFJ friends is exactly like her, come to think of it...

    Ron - ISFP

    Snape - I think INTJ, but I could also see ISTP (from the last book).

    I think Luna is INFP, but maybe not a typical one (obviously). I don't see Ti in her. Perhaps INFJ...although again, no Ti.

    I could go either way on Dumbledore, but INTJ fits as well as any...maybe INFJ.

    Nymphadora, I could see as an ESFP or an ENFP, but I never paid much attention to her. I could also see Mrs Weasley as either ESFJ or ENFJ, really.

    Voldemort - INTJ.

    Lupin - ISxx

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    The Weasley twins are ENTP, it's not even funny. If we're speaking in Keirseyan language, then they are Inventors, not Promoters.

    And ENTP Richard Feynman was quite the prankster, too. And both Ne and Se are impulsive -- Ne is a reckless inventor, Se is a reckless experience junkie. I'd say that the Weasley twins were extremely reckless inventors.

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    The more I think about it, the more certain I am that Hermione was probably an INTJ. She was so aware of inconsistencies, and so perceptive of when something was amiss. Not only that, but she was EXTREMELY freaking efficient. That says Te to me, not Fe.

    Te operates like Fe when it's used for the purposes of observing people and finding the best way to fit in; that's probably why she was typically very polite and well-mannered and aware of what was expected of her. The "model student," as they say. My best friend is an INTJ and is much the same way; she is in no way socially inept, but I can tell her reasons for being socially graceful are more for efficiency purposes than because of her empathy for others.

    Furthermore, I suspect Hermione had underveloped Fi, not well-developed Fe. As an INTJ, her third-rung Fi made her adamant about her house elf cause to the ignorance of appropriateness and social norms. Everyone thought she was pretty nuts for being so perseverant with the house elves. Her Fi made her empathize with the house elves without needing to ask them what they felt; she just ASSUMED that they felt oppressed and needed freedom (in actuality, they didn't). Sounds like third-rung Fi, not second-rung Fe.

    I can't get over how organized and efficient she was, which sounds much more like Te than Fe. She planned, organized, and executed the Polyjuice potion that she, Harry and Ron took in second year to sneak into the Slytherin common room, and that potion took a whole MONTH to make. Consider the enormous about of organizing and planning that must have gone into it. But she slipped up at the very end of all her hard work by not noticing that the hairs she put into her own potion were a cat's, a mistake that could have been due to inferior Se.

    Another reason I think she had well-developed Te is the enormous amount of planning and scheduling that went into her every day: in third year, she was taking about ten classes; in fifth, she was organizing SPEW. She was probably highlighting important events in her calendar every day and making graphs for the number of socks she needed to knit for the house elves.
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