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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Jesus' reaction would be more fitting (though I don't believe in typing him, and it's not about just any kind of anger). He clearly was not set out to dominate by force.
    When talking about Jesus, I've always found this to be an interesting verse: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    When talking about Jesus, I've always found this to be an interesting verse: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34
    To be fair, referencing the Bible as if its a consistent text is a bit silly.
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    You have to take verses like that in context. The "sword" in that case is not Jesus taking any malicious action. It's those who hate him persecuting those who follow him. (i.e. next verses: "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household". To Israelites who did not believe in him, you would be seen as a traitor), but you must choose Christ over them. The malice is coming from them, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
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    well, you've convinced me

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    I posted this before in an earlier thread about this:

    We have seen that maturity came to Hitler relatively late - a condition that led Heer to write that throughout his life there remained something incomplete in his personality...it might even be argued that this astonishing man, with all his talents and self-discipline, never really achieved maturity - by which I mean the existence of that deep-seated private judgement whereby a person comes to terms with the relationship of himself and his circumstances (a recognition that is not necessarily identical with his view of his destiny, or with a sense of that resignation which comes with age....Peter Kleist, one of Ribbentrop's satellites, wrote in his memoirs: "I had the oppurtunity to study his face carefully. It has amazed me because of the multiplicity of expressions it contained...Photography, by selecting only a single moment out of context, could show only one aspect, thereby giving a false impression of the duplicity or multiplicity of being which lay behind this image." He added: "I tried to find some explanation for the hypnotic effect of those eyes without arriving at any explanation."...

    ...Schramm's remarks about the ambivalence of Hitler's expressions: "The friend of women, children and animals - this was one face of Hitler neither acted nor feigned, but entirely geniune. There was, however, a second face which he did not show to his table companions, though it was no less geniune."

    One element in his character was that of the artist. He was a talented draftsman and painter, and a potential architect...A bohemian Hitler was, as Speer often remarked, very evident in his working habits - untill about 1942 he rose late, ate late, and frittered away many hours. Speer commented, "I have often asked myself often: when did he really work?" (This when he was the most powerful dictator in the world)....

    ...Hitler was a desperate man, while at the same time, he was a visionary of a new, heroic, pagan, and scientific world.
    He was an unhappy child and an unhappy adolescent, spurred by shame and resentment, surely after 1918...He was also a strong man; and a fundamental source of his strength was hatred. Yet his hatreds did not coagulate untill he was thirty years old. Before that he remained a boy; at thirty, he became a man suffused with vengence. And what is vengence but the idea of causing suffering in order to heal one's own suffering? The German word for vengence is "Rache". There are few more threatening guttural words in the German language.
    --John Lukacs, the Hitler of History, pg. 68, 69-70, 71, 72

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    Then here are a couple of Hitler's own descriptions of his thinking process:

    Bear in mind that my mind works like a calculating machine. Each person who makes a presentation to me introduces into this calculating machine a small wheel of information. There forms a certain picture, or a number on each wheel. I press a button and there flashes into my mind the sum of all this information.
    --cited in Warlords: An Extraordinary Re-Creation of World War II Through the Eyes and Minds of Hitler, Churchill, Roosevelt, And Stalin pg. 26

    When I go to Obersalzberg, I'm not drawn there merely by the beauty of the landscape. I feel myself far from petty things, and my imagination is stimulated. When I study a problem elsewhere, I see it less clearly; I'm submerged by the details. By night, at the Berghof, I often remain for hours with my eyes open, contemplating from my bed the mountains lit up by the Moon. It's at such moments that brightness enters my mind.
    --inbid pg. 50


    This seems to suggest Ni.

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    I think most people will agree that he was an Ni user. Beebe suggested it was "demonic" (last place), and I do not know enough to dispute that, but this would be good evidence against it, though Beebe could probably argue that the "visionary" part of the quote is tied to the "desparate man", "unhappy child", etc.

    The artistry would also suggest Fi in an "immature" (tertiary or inferior) position, though, and the main dispute is whether he is a TJ or FJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    Is there an NFJ in existence that doesn't value harmony?

    I just can't imagine an NFJ starting a fucking World War.
    Seriously? You've never heard of an NFJ who was so wrapped up in their idea of how society "should" operate that they decide to take measures in their own hands? Hitler operated based on a moral belief about Jewish people. He didn't do it because it was cost effective. He did value harmony -- that's the whole point. He just had extreme views on how harmony should be achieved.

    NFJs are stereotyped to be all into love, harmony, and tra-la-la. They're also stereotyped as cult leaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerithria View Post
    They're also stereotyped as cult leaders.
    I'm still wondering how the hell an INTJ could manage to make sway an entire country (or enough of it anyway) into war and cold-blooded murder and make them feel like they were completely within their rights to do so. It doesn't seem very NT to me to use such complex brainwashing.

    Are there anyone who've read the (or a book) book who are in doubt about his MBTI temperament?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    Is there an NFJ in existence that doesn't value harmony?

    I just can't imagine an NFJ starting a fucking World War.
    Usama bin Ladin and Ayman al-Zawahiri? So plz don't tell me that NF:s with fucked up values can't be evil. Also check out Gandhi, the ultimate "good" INFJ, and his views on black people...

    So in my opinion nothing stops Hitler from being an NF...

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