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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Hitler was an idealist, it's true: but he was merely bringing certain elements of German culture at that time to their logical (ideal) extreme. NB: "logical," as in Thinking. His was not a progressive form of idealism in the sense of the Communism which was extant and growing more popular in his day. There is a certain un-realistic expectation in the idea of a Communist state. Hitler was clearly not out for that kind of change, and was an outspoken aggressor against Communism. Nor did Hitler oppose the traditions of his society in support of his ideal, Germany in fact seemed to have been ready-made for him. Hitler was a product of his German culture, just as he was its greatest supporter by bringing to the light of day its tendencies when taken to their ultimate extreme. For example, anti-Jew propaganda was heavily disseminated during his early years, due partly to Germany's failure in WWI.

    So when I think of Hitler as an idealist, that is not any kind of NF or Fi statement. His ideas and lifestyle simply matched the zeitgeist which was already extant, as Marilyn Monroe once met the cultural idea of feminine beauty.
    Yeah, I wasn't claiming he was NF, per se. I never met the guy. I just wondered moreover if you thought NFs were incapable of carrying out things of this nature as leaders- as I don't think it's entirely impossible, but that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    some would be more than willing to have their ideals realized at the ''justifable'' cost of other people, especially if they manage to convince themselves that it's for the good of humanity in the longterm.
    Oh yes, humanity - an NF or Ni concern, correct? But not Hitler's concern. The Aryan race was not "humanity."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Oh yes, humanity - an NF or Ni concern, correct? But not Hitler's concern. The Aryan race was not "humanity."
    You have to look at this in the proper historical context, because you're not. The earth is now more globalized, so yes, NFs now tend to care about "all of humanity." At that point in history, it was a big deal to even care about your entire country. Hitler wanting the best for all of Germany, for all of his people, beyond his family, friends, and community, was the early 20th century version of a 21st century NF caring about people on the other side of the earth.

    His vision was totally Ni, and it was different than what had come before, though his cultural influences and traditions were Fe...yes, he absorbed them externally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    Yeah, I wasn't claiming he was NF, per se. I never met the guy. I just wondered moreover if you thought NFs were incapable of carrying out things of this nature as leaders- as I don't think it's entirely impossible, but that's just me.
    Thinking, yes, but the NF is far more limited to the realm of fantasy. That's why I mentioned foot-stomping earlier. It would not go to the level of a Hitler. If some of them act like little Hitlers in their own homes (or on forums), that's a different story altogether.

    When you're talking about an Ni in general (and yes this is from my reading of Jungian functions), that refers to a highly impractical person. This person's focus is inward, and if there are aggressive tendencies, that focus is also turned inward. (This is called introjection.)

    I know an Ni who once tried to kill himself by firing arrows into the sky and then lying on the ground hoping to be impaled through the chest. That's not introjection per se, but a stark illustration of aggression "turned inward" toward the self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Thinking, yes, but the NF is far more limited to the realm of fantasy. That's why I mentioned foot-stomping earlier. It would not go to the level of a Hitler. If some of them act like little Hitlers in their own homes (or on forums), that's a different story altogether.
    NFs can't accomplish anything on a broad scale? I think you might be insane. Toodles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Thinking, yes, but the NF is far more limited to the realm of fantasy. That's why I mentioned foot-stomping earlier. It would not go to the level of a Hitler. If some of them act like little Hitlers in their own homes (or on forums), that's a different story altogether.

    When you're talking about an Ni in general (and yes this is from my reading of Jungian functions), that refers to a highly impractical person. This person's focus is inward, and if there are aggressive tendencies, that focus is also turned inward. (This is called introjection.)

    I know an Ni who once tried to kill himself by firing arrows into the sky and then lying on the ground hoping to be impaled through the chest. That's not introjection, but a stark example of aggression "turned inward" toward the self.
    Eh, I'm not convinced that it's entirely impossible for someone like Hitler to be NF & successfully make a worldwide impact in the way that he did; seems too narrow to dismiss that possibility. What you described sounds like a somewhat intellectually/emotionally underdeveloped person, and does not necessarily serve as a viable baseline example for Ni users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    Eh, I'm not convinced that it's entirely impossible for someone like Hitler to be NF & successfully make a worldwide impact in the way that he did; seems too narrow to dismiss that possibility. What you described sounds like a somewhat intellectually/emotionally underdeveloped person, and does not necessarily serve as a viable baseline example for Ni users.
    I did not intend it to be a baseline, only an "illustration" of introjection put into practice. Whereas Hitler put ideas in practice but the method could not reasonably be considered a reflection of introjection. If in the end he self-destructed, that once again was just a logical end to his behaviors, not a sign of any particular cognitive habits. Hitler did not introject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Oh yes, humanity - an NF or Ni concern, correct? But not Hitler's concern. The Aryan race was not "humanity."
    For Hitler, the Aryan race was humanity - other races were seen as "vermin" or "parasites". They were dehumanized, demonized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    For Hitler, the Aryan race was humanity - other races were seen as "vermin" or "parasites". They were dehumanized, demonized.
    Or you could simply cite the fact that Hitler gave pre-war speeches during the 1930s that included references to love for humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    BEST!

    After going along with the herd with INFJ for a while, I think ISTJ is a much better type call for Hitler. So much better that I thought of creating a new thread on the topic, but then I decided to bump this one instead.

    As always it is necessary to state up front that not everybody goes along with their type. But in this case, Hitler's belief in the existence of "golems" demonstrates the presence of an inferior function related to Si: his inner world was full of strange objects that he believed existed in reality. "God" might be considered one of them, but for Hitler it is just a conservative Si belief that coincides with being raised a Catholic.

    The idea that Hitler was an INFJ because he had a desire to produce artworks is a false stereotype. In fact, his primary desire growing up was to join the Catholic priesthood.

    Hitler's nationalistic fervor is Si at its worst.

    If Hitler was an INFJ or ISFJ, the Fe is not very apparent. But the Te is very apparent. It gave him the ability to amass and organize vast armies, and perhaps also the ability to manipulate his audiences through his fervent git'r'dun speeches.

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    John Beebe did say he was an Si dom. with "demonic" Ni. I never saw his reasoning for this, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    He was an Fe dom, he thought he was doing the right thing for Germany. His motive was very Fe, not Te. Plus he had Ni vision, of course i.e. Nazi Germany, the Aryan race, blah blah blah.

    Some people think he's INFJ rather than ENFJ, but I think his charisma lends itself to Fe dominance.

    Of course Ni dominance could explain his particular, special form of crazy.

    You have to understand that the man was severely abused, and was also probably a paranoid schizophrenic, so you can't just say all NFJs will be like Hitler.

    Some are like Ghandi instead.

    Do you see the similiarity though, in their motives? Hmm? One is regarded as a saint, the other as satan, but I see how they're incredibly similar on a functional level.

    Same with Jesus.
    The Fe could be shadowy, especially if a result of the trauma of abuse, or whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Or you could simply cite the fact that Hitler gave pre-war speeches during the 1930s that included references to love for humanity.
    People can do that, just to manipulate, and it not be their true preference. Again, that could even be Trickster or Demon Fe.
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