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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    There is such a thing as a very direct "In Charge" ESFJ. I personally know a couple ESFJs like this. More direct and "In Charge" than me (supposedly a direct and "In Charge" type"). We don't have to read too much into the interaction styles.
    agreed, it's just loose temperament associations. the enneagram instinctual subtypes, dominant types and wings, and mb all together give a much more sophisticated accounting of differences.

    temperament theory does pose some useful questions, but that's about it. it does a terrible job answering them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    temperament theory does pose some useful questions, but that's about it. it does a terrible job answering them.
    perhaps we can start a different thread...but how did you arrive at the conclusion that it does a terrible job, as opposed to a better job?

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    The communication styles aren't always definite. The only thing in MBTI that is is the functions. The rest is generalisations that will correlate most of the time, but not always. Jackie is an Fe dom. An arrogant, ignorant Fe dom.

    Eric: IXFP
    Kelso: ESFP
    Jackie: ESFJ
    Fez: INFP
    Hyde: ISTP
    Donna: XXTJ
    Kitty: ESFJ
    Red: ESTJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venom View Post
    yes, there has been!

    I remember this was the general consensus (which i still agree with)....

    first:
    IN CHARGE: ESTP ENTJ ENFJ ESTJ
    GET THINGS GOING: ESFP ENTP ENFP ESFJ
    CHART THE COURSE: ISTP INTJ INFJ ISTJ
    BEHIND THE SCENES: ISFP INTP INFP ISFJ

    anyways...

    Eric: ISFP 100%
    JD scrubs is NFP, Eric is SFP. Both have "strange" thoughts. JD's N is fantasy and 'trips' to exterior possibilities (Ne). Erics N is more related to his truer interpretation of the other characters (Ni). Eric is BEHIND THE SCENES (which leaves INTP, INFP, ISFP and ISFJ...ISFP fits the best because he is pragmatic over affiliative).

    Donna: ESTP 100%
    Donna is IN CHARGE rather than GET THINGS GOING. She is directing over informing and motive over structure. She is pragmatic over affiliative. This all points to ESTP over ENTP or any F.

    Hyde: ISTP 100%
    Hyde is CHART THE COURSE rather than GET THINGS GOING. He is a responder rather than initiator, and a director rather than an informer. He is also motive over structure. These all point to ISTP over ENTP. The final point is his tertiary Ni use for the cliche "the man! the corporations!" rantings.....

    Kelso: ENFP 120%
    Kelso is affiliative over pragmatic. His vices and creativity are in his ridiculous ideas and perceptions (often of himself). He is identical to a real life ENFP friend I have (tests ENFP and everything). If you think for a second his intelligence disqualifies him from being an N, then you have completely misinterpreted MBTI in a rather elitist fashion.

    Jacky: ESTJ 120%
    Jacky is IN CHARGE, rather than GET THINGS GOING. She is directing. SFJ Fe is not directing (NFJ Fe is directing). She is the opposite of Fez, and is rather attracted to him (to her own surprise).

    Fez: ISFP 90% (N/S)
    Fez is BEHIND THE SCENES, not GET THINGS GOING. Fez is the total opposite of Jacky. His creativity and vices are sensual. Jacky secretly loves fez (also makes sense).

    Kitty: ISFJ 90% (E/I)
    She is not GET THINGS GOING, but more passive aggressive and BEHIND THE SCENES

    Red: ESTJ 97.25% (E/I)
    The extroverted version of hank hill. He is IN CHARGE (ISTJ is chart the course). He is initiating and directing. He is structure over motive. He is affiliative over pragmatic in his pursuit to maintain group tradition and dynamics.

    less sure:
    Laurie: ESTP 75% (T/F)
    Leo: ISFP 75% (E/I)

    The %'s refer to confidence to the written type (with the most disputed in parenthesis).
    After a review of the show, I'd have to agree with most of the points that you made. However, there are a few discrepancies in your support. Since you are soley basing your arguement on communication style, blind-spots in your educated opinion become obvious. In the way that you've applied the communication typing it leaves room for anybody who is "In-Charge" or "Direct", or simply confident for that matter, to be re-interperted as what fits their mold, instead of exactly how they function and interpert information. All the cognitive responses, which may or may not be externalize (for observation), are thrown out the window in replacement for quick-fits in archetypes. Not that MBTI doesn't often lend itself to that hunk of shit. However, this is a show. Most of us are fiddling with typing in hopes of understanding interpersonal relations, how we work in groupings, and/or understanding of ourselves. As we've seen in this thread so far, there are plenty of people who have recognize that these quick-fits don't work when catergorized to one discipline. It just isn't enough. Why use one form? Didn't Bruce Lee teach us anything? Use everything that works, for typing, or fighting. That means throw in the knowledge you've gained from Ennegram, Jungian theorist, and all relatable content if applicable and rational. Don't limit yourself to Communication Styles, otherwise you won't be able to understand the difference in Introversion and Extroversion. So, lets define these words real quick.

    In the way that you've...(to be edited. I had to run to the store)


    • Eric: ISFP
    • Hyde: ISTP
    • Kelso: ESFP
    • Fez: INFP
    • Jackie: ESFJ
    • Donna: ESTP
    • Red: ISTJ
    • Kitty: ISFJ
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    Why ESFP for Kelso over ENFP? I have a few tested ENFP friends, and Kelso seems to me to be instantly recognizable as one of them.

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    I strongly disagree with the categoriztion of eric as an isfp. I would say he behaves more like an isfj or maybe istj.
    Think of the episode where he interviews for a position at the fast food joint. He gave all the right answers, and he was the only one selected because of his willingness to conform to the rules. He also is very unwilling to quit the job.
    At home he is very fearful and respectful of his parents authority.
    He never skips school, etc
    kitty is blatantly NOT an isfj. More likely a enfp (she detests the lack of sponteneity in her relationship (P), she's probably the most active, sprightly and talkative person on the show (E), she's incredibly adept at dealing with all the other characters in the show, much more than anyone else indicating a very strong preference for N. F because of her caring and kind attitude.
    Nothing about kelso would indicate N or S. he is undeveloped in this respect.
    Fez is a non-charater.
    Hyde is probably an intp. His preferences for I and P aren't too great though, so it can be argued further. He's very intellectual and creative so a definite N.

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    Jacky is a 2w3 Sp/Sx. Either ESTP or ESTJ.
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    E=60% S=55% T=70% P=80%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Jacky is a 2w3 Sp/Sx. Either ESTP or ESTJ.
    Jackie, a T type? She comes across, to me, as an F foil (romantic and affectionate) to Donna's T (headstrong and blunt)...
    Tentative typing: ISFJ 6w5 or 9w1 (Sp/S[?]).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Jackie, a T type? She comes across, to me, as an F foil (romantic and affectionate) to Donna's T (headstrong and blunt)...
    It's funny, but I can see her as both a T and an F. My first thought was that she was a T because she's selfish and self-centered (cares about her own goals) which isn't really what being an F is all about (consideration for others, more ethical than logical, etc). But at the same time the way she fawns over her lovers isn't really how I'd see a T work in relationships. I think ESTJ 2w3 fits her (self centered from the T and romantic from the 2), but then again, I barely remember that show so I could definitely be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbringer View Post
    It's funny, but I can see her as both a T and an F. My first thought was that she was a T because she's selfish and self-centered (cares about her own goals) which isn't really what being an F is all about (consideration for others, more ethical than logical, etc). But at the same time the way she fawns over her lovers isn't really how I'd see a T work in relationships. I think ESTJ 2w3 fits her (self centered from the T and romantic from the 2), but then again, I barely remember that show so I could definitely be wrong.
    FJs can be incredibly selfish. And they can be very sneaky in that aspect. Especially when they're unhealthy Twos.
    Tentative typing: ISFJ 6w5 or 9w1 (Sp/S[?]).

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