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    Bernard Black - the worst INFP ever
    Fran - the coolest ISTJ ever
    Manny - the manysided-est ISFJ ever (or the most devoted ISFP ever)
    Evan (the owner of Goliath's Books) - the ESTJ-est ESTJ ever

    Black Books - one of the funniest British sitcoms ever

    Any thoughts?

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    Bernard Black is INTP, this has been established!
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    Why do you think Bernard is an intuitive?
    I think he is a sensor, a misantropic ISTP.
    He seems to live a day-by-day life, he only cares about drinking, smoking and avoid people who bother him.
    I don't see a lot of speculative and abstract thought and so on. And for sure he can't be called Rational!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcontent View Post
    Why do you think Bernard is an intuitive?
    I think he is a sensor, a misantropic ISTP.
    He seems to live a day-by-day life, he only cares about drinking, smoking and avoid people who bother him.
    I don't see a lot of speculative and abstract thought and so on. And for sure he can't be called Rational!
    There's nothing rational in the actions of an misanthropic INTP, trust me.

    Plus he reads books a lot, has poor hygiene and is in general very strange and eccentric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    There's nothing rational in the actions of an misanthropic INTP, trust me.

    Plus he reads books a lot, has poor hygiene and is in general very strange and eccentric.
    He's just Irish.


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    Let me see...

    It might have been established he's INTP (by INTPs, I suppose ), by I disagree.

    Firstly, Bernard is 100% N (not ISTP for sure), because he lives only in his head and absolutely sucks with reality. Manny's and Fran's characters, who are most likely both SJ, are designed to keep him functioning in reality at least a little. I'd say that especially Fran is designed to be almost his polar opposite, which is one of the things that leads me to think he's INFP. The owner of Goliath's books was blatantly a caricature of an ESTJ, and Bernard is (in my opinion) blatantly a caricature of misanthropic, choleric and absolutely incapable, but also somewhat 'honorable' INFP, that's why their interaction was so funny.

    Furthermore, he's repeatedly shown that he's got very strong values (as eccentric as they may be), and he's obviously a very romantic and idealistic dreamer, who ridiculously idealizes all his ex and future girlfriends, which is also a caricature of typical INFP behavior (e.g. the episode with his 'summer girl' ). He's also somewhat artistic (e.g. the episode where he and Manny were writing the children's book ), which also seems to be rather a caricature of NF than NT.

    You might say that all these things are possible for an INTP as well, but you have to keep in might that's he's a caricature and all typical traits of a certain type are parodied in him. And I would say these traits are INFP traits, not INTP traits.

    Plus, if he was an INTP, he would have to be Ti dominant, and I haven't spotted any sign of Ti in him in any single episode.

    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    There's nothing rational in the actions of an misanthropic INTP, trust me.
    That's possible, but there's nothing (as in, nothing nothing) rational in the actions of a misanthropic INFP, don't you think?

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    absolutely sucks with reality.
    so he is not a perceiver.

    and I haven't spotted any sign of Ti in him
    hm let me think about that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    so he is not a perceiver.
    What?

    Ne types suck with reality too, not only Ni types, if this is what you mean. Respectively, when someone's primary mode is intuition, they will always be more comfortable with their head than with reality. That's the whole point of it, in my opinion.

    And Bernard not being a perceiver is obviously a nonsense. He's probably the best caricature of a perceiver I've ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space_Oddity View Post
    Bernard Black - the worst INFP ever
    Fran - the coolest ISTJ ever
    Manny - the manysided-est ISFJ ever (or the most devoted ISFP ever)
    Evan (the owner of Goliath's Books) - the ESTJ-est ESTJ ever

    Black Books - one of the funniest British sitcoms ever

    Any thoughts?
    Bernie is an INTP.
    Beneath the apparent turmoil there is a cool.

    I say the best INTP ever.
    His is the best occupation for an INTP, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Bernie is an INTP.
    Beneath the apparent turmoil there is a cool.

    I say the best INTP ever.
    OK. I guess we just have to agree to disagree, because I claim him.

    However, beyond a shadow of doubt, he's a king of all INPs.

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