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    at some of the typings.
    Ted is pure NeFi. He is an ENFP.
    Marshall is ENFJ
    Lily is ENFP
    Robin is IXTJ
    Barney is ENTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    at some of the typings.
    Ted is pure NeFi. He is an ENFP.
    Marshall is ENFJ
    Lily is ENFP
    Robin is IXTJ
    Barney is ENTJ.
    I gave reasoning. Rather solid reasoning based on interaction styles and temperament. Can I see your reasoning? (ENFJ lecturing the INTJ about reasoning and evidence ).

    PS: my child hood best friend is ENFP (taken tests, talks about it, is ENFP to the core) and Ted is wayyyy too normal, reasonable and not totally nutzo to be ENFP. He has Ne and Fi, but its not the dominating force of his personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    I gave reasoning. Rather solid reasoning based on interaction styles and temperament. Can I see your reasoning? (ENFJ lecturing the INTJ about reasoning and evidence ).
    Alright. I'll start with Ted then.
    Ted - Temperament is NF. Why? He is Idealistic and always looks at where he sees himself in the future. He is not a traditionalist(SJ), experiencer(SP) or intellectual(NT). He fits the NF temperament most. He uses the Te function but not as much as he uses the Ne function. His Ne is what makes Ted's character interesting.
    Ted's Ne:
    (What type of professor shall I be?)
    (The idea of stealing a 'smurf penis')
    (When he decides to be a detective)
    (His overused metaphors)
    There are many examples I can give for Ted being Ne. Just can't be bothered to remember them right now.
    There is very little sign of Si so it would be more appropriate to consider he uses it at a much lower rate then his other functions. His NeFi gives him the ability to talk in his smooth (nice guy) manner. Basically Ted's comedy in the whole show is Ne, NeFi, or NeTe ("How can you not like (insert interest of Ted)").

    Robin is more easily an IXTJ. She is not a perceiver. She is a strong Te user as you can easily see from her arguments. I haven't seen her use Ti or Se at all. This concludes she is a TJ whereas the first two are much harder to solve for her and thus I conclude Introvert because she likes to be alone more than with her friends.

    Barney is ENTJ. I had concluded ESTJ at a point before. The S and the N aren't that apparent. However, he loves being around people, E, he makes his decisions based on logic, T, and he is a very clear judger. Anyways his out of the box ideas, bro code, magic tricks, etc. would make him more of an Ni user and thus TeNi fits quite well for Barney.

    Little mischievous Lily who works underground with her intuitive ideas to manipulate everything to her liking is a definite N. Her concern is peace and harmony for the group and doesn't like it at all when anyone does anything immoral or unethical. She protects her values quite well. She is far far from a T. Definitely an F. She creates situations in her mind and tries to match reality with the her mind situation. This could indicate Ni but then again she also uses quite a bit of Ne. She also has a lot of Fi so the J and P have me quite confused with Lily but she is more of a P I think. It's quite obvious though that she's an extrovert so I'm not sure on your stance on why you think she is an introvert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Little mischievous Lily who works underground with her intuitive ideas to manipulate everything to her liking is a definite N. Her concern is peace and harmony for the group and doesn't like it at all when anyone does anything immoral or unethical. She protects her values quite well. She is far far from a T. Definitely an F. She creates situations in her mind and tries to match reality with the her mind situation. This could indicate Ni but then again she also uses quite a bit of Ne. She also has a lot of Fi so the J and P have me quite confused with Lily but she is more of a P I think. It's quite obvious though that she's an extrovert so I'm not sure on your stance on why you think she is an introvert.
    I'm pretty sure the bolded parts are very Fe+Ni rather than Ne+Fi. It's definitely not impossible for an ENFJ to, well, have values and ethics, and I'd say that her values are primarily concerned with how the world/community should be, and she works towards it. As I've already said, she uses tons of Fe for example in her kindergarten job, while she sometimes takes this "little children's teacher" persona even into her adult life - I think this is typical for Fe users, who like to nurture people and discipline them.

    Maybe what you think is Fi isn't really the ENFP-ish Fi... Perhaps you actually might be confusing it with Ni working through Fe? If she was an ENFP, her Fi would be working through her Ne (Ne would be kind of "more important") and as she's extroverted, her more prominent functions would be Ne+Te, but I'd say Fe+Se are more clearly observable in her.
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    Till the earth was sky,
    Sky that was green,
    And brown clouds passed
    Like chestnut leaves along the ground.

    - SUSAN ANN AND IMMORTALITY, T. E. Hulme

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space_Oddity View Post
    I'm pretty sure the bolded parts are very Fe+Ni rather than Ne+Fi. It's definitely not impossible for an ENFJ to, well, have values and ethics, and I'd say that her values are primarily concerned with how the world/community should be, and she works towards it. As I've already said, she uses tons of Fe for example in her kindergarten job, while she sometimes takes this "little children's teacher" persona even into her adult life - I think this is typical for Fe users, who like to nurture people and discipline them.

    Maybe what you think is Fi isn't really the ENFP-ish Fi... Perhaps you actually might be confusing it with Ni working through Fe? If she was an ENFP, her Fi would be working through her Ne (Ne would be kind of "more important") and as she's extroverted, her more prominent functions would be Ne+Te, but I'd say Fe+Se are more clearly observable in her.
    Hmmm. Yes, you're probably right. I had thought about it that way too. What gets me confused is the Ne and Ni she uses. She uses both and that's why it was harder for me to figure out whether she is P or J. A fair argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Alright. I'll start with Ted then.
    Ted - Temperament is NF. Why? He is Idealistic and always looks at where he sees himself in the future. He is not a traditionalist(SJ), experiencer(SP) or intellectual(NT). He fits the NF temperament most. He uses the Te function but not as much as he uses the Ne function. His Ne is what makes Ted's character interesting.
    Ted's Ne:
    (What type of professor shall I be?)
    (The idea of stealing a 'smurf penis')
    (When he decides to be a detective)
    (His overused metaphors)
    There are many examples I can give for Ted being Ne. Just can't be bothered to remember them right now.
    There is very little sign of Si so it would be more appropriate to consider he uses it at a much lower rate then his other functions. His NeFi gives him the ability to talk in his smooth (nice guy) manner. Basically Ted's comedy in the whole show is Ne, NeFi, or NeTe ("How can you not like (insert interest of Ted)").

    Robin is more easily an IXTJ. She is not a perceiver. She is a strong Te user as you can easily see from her arguments. I haven't seen her use Ti or Se at all. This concludes she is a TJ whereas the first two are much harder to solve for her and thus I conclude Introvert because she likes to be alone more than with her friends.

    Barney is ENTJ. I had concluded ESTJ at a point before. The S and the N aren't that apparent. However, he loves being around people, E, he makes his decisions based on logic, T, and he is a very clear judger. Anyways his out of the box ideas, bro code, magic tricks, etc. would make him more of an Ni user and thus TeNi fits quite well for Barney.

    Little mischievous Lily who works underground with her intuitive ideas to manipulate everything to her liking is a definite N. Her concern is peace and harmony for the group and doesn't like it at all when anyone does anything immoral or unethical. She protects her values quite well. She is far far from a T. Definitely an F. She creates situations in her mind and tries to match reality with the her mind situation. This could indicate Ni but then again she also uses quite a bit of Ne. She also has a lot of Fi so the J and P have me quite confused with Lily but she is more of a P I think. It's quite obvious though that she's an extrovert so I'm not sure on your stance on why you think she is an introvert.
    Ted's a traditionalist--ISxJs need not be boring people. He wants to settle down, have a family and then reminisce about it. The entire show is based around the fact that Ted in 2030 feels the need to re-live every tiny detail of his earlier life. And aside from the main premise of the show (his love life misadventures) Ted doesn't want to leave what is familiar to him--he and Robyn broke up because of this character trait. Ted complains when Barney wants to go to a different bar. Ted complains when people try to pressure him to have a different routine than wearing the same hallowe'en costume every year, going to the same event every year... Ted complains when Barney wants to take him on any new adventure... Ted is clearly an ISxJ.

    Also, Robyn as a Te user baffles me. She's clearly an xSTP--hates to plan ahead, hates to plan in general, wants to be free to act upon her impulses as she sees fit, when she sees fit. TiSe combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    Ted's a traditionalist--ISxJs need not be boring people. He wants to settle down, have a family and then reminisce about it. The entire show is based around the fact that Ted in 2030 feels the need to re-live every tiny detail of his earlier life. And aside from the main premise of the show (his love life misadventures) Ted doesn't want to leave what is familiar to him--he and Robyn broke up because of this character trait. Ted complains when Barney wants to go to a different bar. Ted complains when people try to pressure him to have a different routine than wearing the same hallowe'en costume every year, going to the same event every year... Ted complains when Barney wants to take him on any new adventure... Ted is clearly an ISxJ.
    I think these are indicators of strong tertiary Si, not primary Si. Ted might act in a Si way (sometimes), but he thinks in a Ne way, and in my opinion, if one thinks Ne that means they're Ne. *shrugs* I don't see why an INFP shouldn't have the desire to re-live every tiny detail of their life. I sure do very often, and I also like my routines. Perhaps this is a little controversial opinion but I think this is a serious flaw of MBTI - it associates cognitive functions with characteristics, but I think that cognitive functions are mainly about the thought process. I really don't see why there shouldn't be a traditionalistic NFP; their Fi might easily be mainly concerned about traditions, especially when it comes to relationships.
    Her head hung down
    Gazed at earth, finally keen,
    As the rabbit at the stoat,
    Till the earth was sky,
    Sky that was green,
    And brown clouds passed
    Like chestnut leaves along the ground.

    - SUSAN ANN AND IMMORTALITY, T. E. Hulme

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    On Robin: Being P or J is not all about planning.

    On Ted: Being I or E is not all about being sociable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space_Oddity View Post
    I think these are indicators of strong tertiary Si, not primary Si. Ted might act in a Si way (sometimes), but he thinks in a Ne way, and in my opinion, if one thinks Ne that means they're Ne. *shrugs* I don't see why an INFP shouldn't have the desire to re-live every tiny detail of their life. I sure do very often, and I also like my routines. Perhaps this is a little controversial opinion but I think this is a serious flaw of MBTI - it associates cognitive functions with characteristics, but I think that cognitive functions are mainly about the thought process. I really don't see why there shouldn't be a traditionalistic NFP; their Fi might easily be mainly concerned about traditions, especially when it comes to relationships.
    agreed completely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Barney is ENTJ. I had concluded ESTJ at a point before. The S and the N aren't that apparent. However, he loves being around people, E, he makes his decisions based on logic, T, and he is a very clear judger. Anyways his out of the box ideas, bro code, magic tricks, etc. would make him more of an Ni user and thus TeNi fits quite well for Barney.
    Aha.. Could be his tertiary Ne which comes up with ideas.

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