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    I used to smoke two packs a day and I just hate being a nonsmoker... but I will never consider myself a nonsmoker because I always find smokers the most interesting people at the table.
    I was never in school, but I graduated in three years, with honors, I just skated on through, because I knew how to manipulate the system.
    I'm really impatient with myself. I've always been this way. I've always wanted everything yesterday. My basic nature is dark. My essence. That doesn't mean that I'm that way all the time, but that's where I work from most often in my life. I always believe that I can do everything, and handle everything, and keep all these balls in the air, and then I don't understand why I'm hysterically crying at the end of the day and why I feel overloaded and can't sleep. It's my greatest asset and my greatest curse-that I'm so fucking self-sufficient.
    I'm not a sunny kind of person. My basic nature is rather serious. I've never found that to be terribly interesting. I've always wanted to be more lighthearted, and I've become more so-with a lot of effort.
    I always felt a little like an outsider looking in, even with my family. There are participants in life and there are observers, and I've always been an observer. I've been working to try to become less so, because I think it's terribly lonely and isolating to be an observer all the time. Being famous works against you when you're trying to change that.
    I try to protect my own tendency to be affected too much by other people's opinions. It's like the fact that I never discuss my character, my work, with the people in my life, with my boyfriend or my best friend. It's because I know how easily influenced I am, and I know that when I put myself in that kind of situation it will lead me astray from my own instincts. So I go overboard to protect that.
    I never think I'm funny, and I'm always in these comedies. See, I don't know how this happens, or why this happens, but I always end up playing the heart of the piece. Like, in a comedy, I always end up playing the anchor, the person whose job is to be believable. And not necessarily funny. Happens to me all the time.
    If there's a lot demanded of you, working can be very sexually fulfilling. It depends on the movie, on the part.
    I think I have a sadomasochistic streak, because acting is kind of brutal
    Almost daily I say to myself, why are you doing this? There are movies that I have done, people that I've worked with, performances I've given that make me say, "That's why I'm doing this." There are certain scenes you do in a movie that are like catching a wave, and you leave work feeling elated - almost as though you've purged something. That's rare, but you do live for those moments.
    I become paralyzed when I have to make small talk. I'm really horrible at it. All I can do is hope that I won't run out of questions to ask the other person, so I can keep the conversation off myself. Which is why I'm not good at interviews. I tend to go right into the heart of things, and get really personal. Then afterward I read them and I think, Aw, shit. Why the fuck can't you just shut your mouth?
    (About The Witches of Eastwick) The first time I saw it, I hated it. It was so different than the way I had envisioned it. The original script was more of a dark comedy, as opposed to... there were no special effects; there wasn't all of that flying in the air. For me, what was interesting about it was how it played on a psychological level: the power play between men and women.

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    Hmmm..those seem like IN'ish quotes. :-)

    Although a handful of the quotes could probably have been said by my ISFJ friend; but all in all they seem more N to me - especially the references to being impatient, very self-sufficient, more serious, and 'becoming paralyzed when I have to make small talk'. In fact, the 'All I can do is hope that I won't run out of questions to ask the other person, so I can keep the conversation off myself' is *exactly* what I do. :-)

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    Based on the quotes and Actor's Studio I'm going with ISTJ. Definitely IJ, maybe ISFJ, I don't think she's INFJ at all. Where's the Ni? I see signs of Te, she makes very strong objective statements, definitive statements about herself. She seems to have a lot of Si pessimism swirling around.
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    This really throws off an ISXJ reading for me:

    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    Also, the thing about her having been a clever student who skipped school and knew how to get good grades without putting in any effort - is that compatible with ISXJ?
    I also think she is much too good of an actress to be an ISTJ. (Compare with the flatness of Natalie Portman.)

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    I knew how to manipulate the system
    i know it's stupid to base things off of one singular quote alone, but i can't help it.

    if we're already in agreement she's definitely IxxJ, then based off this quote she is INTJ. (The other quotes definitely support it, but thsi solidifies it!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    i know it's stupid to base things off of one singular quote alone, but i can't help it.

    if we're already in agreement she's definitely IxxJ, then based off this quote she is INTJ.
    I'd almost be worried about you if you didn't.

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    Why wouldn't an ISJ do well in school without studying especially hard? And why would an ISTJ be a "flat actor"? Once again MBTI type does not indicate your abilities to do something.

    I don't think Natalie Portman is an ISTJ anyway, so meh. I actually think she's an IFP. I can't tell S or N. Her movies don't seem like roles an ISTJ would choose, too feeling-y.

    ETA: I agree with IJ
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    I'd almost be worried about you if you didn't.
    lol what is my problem?

    perhaps hollywood is really filled with INTJs under cover, exploiting the financial opportunites to give them the power take over the world in the next decade. it's my intuitive abilites that allow me to see this coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Why wouldn't an ISJ do well in school without studying especially hard?
    That's not what I meant. What I meant is: Would an ISXJ choose to play the system in the way that Michelle Pfeiffer describes doing?

    I was never in school, but I graduated in three years, with honors, I just skated on through, because I knew how to manipulate the system.
    I've known intelligent ISXJs and I just can't picture them taking pride in cleverly getting away with slacking like that.

    And why would an ISTJ be a "flat actor"? Once again MBTI type does not indicate your abilities to do something.
    I think we'll have to agree to disagree on these points (including whether Natalie Portman is an ISTJ). I'd rather not derail the thread from the actress at hand. Maybe it's time for the inevitable "MBTI and acting ability/versatility" thread? Edit: Here it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    My guesses were ISTJ or INTJ. I can't possibly see her as an ISFJ, so can you explain the difference between teh "coldness" of an IxTJ and an INFJ? I don't know any IRL to frame my reference off of.
    This is on the fly, so it will need refinement. (Perhaps buku refining! )

    But, well, after the primary Ni, the INTJ is operating from Te + Fi. So primarily they interact by manipulating the environment. They tend to be task and performance focused, quick to cut to the implications of the substance of someone's ideas. (i.e., "Will that work?") The Fi exists and opens up a whole new world of personal interaction for them, but it still tends to be naive/simplistic until practiced a lot. ("I like them /will have a favorable reaction to them, because they make sense. I don't like them and/or will be antagonistic to them, because they're stupid." or similar ideas.) The tertiary is also used to buttress Ni, in situations where the INTJ does not feel comfortable practicing their Te; so their like or dislike for someone -- their internal values -- is used to justify how the INTJ responds to them and either listens to them or ignores them.

    The INFJ operates from Fe + Ti. They primarily use their Ni to explore relationship and the expressions of values within relationship. They are concerned about the impact of their interactions on others. (Was that kind? Right? Moral? Understanding? etc.) They are much better hosts in terms of pure interaction with others, while the INTJ might be not quite as good a host but might find it easy to engage on a "warmth" level; INFJs tend to interact through the Fe sense, so sometimes they can feel "cold" even while you can tell they very much care. It's just more formalized, the INTJ tends to interact in a more free-flowing basis once you get past the Te.

    Ti -- concern about the nature of things -- will pop up, but sometimes be more simplistic. (I.e., gets used to support what the Ni wants to believe, rather than being allowed to draw its own conclusions). The INTJ is less concerned about the nature of things and more what actually can be done with them. ("Well, that makes sense... but is it practice, can we apply that knowledge somehow, can we get it done and move on?")

    (As far as that goes, I don't really see Te as the primary interface for Michelle Pfeiffer's interaction with others. Fe is far more apparent.)

    it is hard to articulate, isn't it? I can "sense" the difference when I interact, but trying to explain the visible/practical difference between Fe+Ti versus Te+Fi is harder than you would think!
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