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    Default Were there any top Nazis who were NT?

    I'm thinking, in terms of NT interests, capacities and such, it is only natural that the end up in political office. But I'm thinking; is Nazi Germany somewhat unique in its style of leadership in the sense that there were no NTs at top level? The whole ideology was very value-based, always more concerned with ideals than actual political administration and compromise.

    The only mayhap NTs I can think of remain in the political periphery (Ribbentrop).

    So who, if any, top nazis were NTs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    I'm thinking, in terms of NT interests, capacities and such, it is only natural that the end up in political office. But I'm thinking; is Nazi Germany somewhat unique in its style of leadership in the sense that there were no NTs at top level? The whole ideology was very value-based, always more concerned with ideals than actual political administration and compromise.

    The only mayhap NTs I can think of remain in the political periphery (Ribbentrop).

    So who, if any, top nazis were NTs?
    I would personally consider the fact that the party gained power through ideology as barely relevant to the type of it's leaders. Any NT could have just seen it as a tool (just like most governments). I doubt that any government that truly was more concerned with values than political administration wouldn't last very long (even as long as the Nazis). I think they just realized that it was their ticket to power. I would be highly surprised if there is any effective government anywhere that does not have NTs in key leadership positions.

    So to answer your question, I have no idea.
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    I'd bet good money that Josef Goebbels and Heinrich Himmler were respectively ENTP and ENTJ. Albert Speer, an INTP.

    The Fuehrer was probably an ENFP or INFP.

    The Nazi ideology itself is very xNxJ. Such visionaries they were.

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    Meta, I don't cosider it pivotal how the nazis came to power eigther. I'm just saying that the ideology itself does not apeal to pragmatically minded NTs.

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    Goebbels seems very xNFJ to me. But admittedly he could be an NT.

    Himmler, on the other hand, is sooooooo ISFJ

    Mengele was quite possible an NT or and ST. But he was no politician.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    Meta, I don't cosider it pivotal how the nazis came to power eigther. I'm just saying that the ideology itself does not apeal to pragmatically minded NTs.
    Right, I was just pointing out that they may not have actually believed what they were preaching. Rather, they may have seen it as a means to an end, which is very NT, imo. Admittedly, though, I have no evidence to back this up, I guess I am just guessing and playing devil's advocate.
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    Ah yes, I'm with you.

    While I certainly agree that there's a possibility that these guys were rational deep-down I will also maintain, that an in-depth study of both the persons and the politics of nazi Germany will reveal that these guys really believed this shit themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    Himmler, on the other hand, is sooooooo ISFJ
    Why does everyone underestimate an NT's capacity for loyalty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    I'm thinking, in terms of NT interests, capacities and such, it is only natural that the end up in political office. But I'm thinking; is Nazi Germany somewhat unique in its style of leadership in the sense that there were no NTs at top level? The whole ideology was very value-based, always more concerned with ideals than actual political administration and compromise.

    The only mayhap NTs I can think of remain in the political periphery (Ribbentrop).

    So who, if any, top nazis were NTs?
    I went through the handwriting of all the top and upper middle level Nazis.
    They were all one and the same type. Not one N. Not one I. Not one P or J.

    With the exception of Der Fuhrer of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Not one P or J.
    Was this on purpose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    I would personally consider the fact that the party gained power through ideology as barely relevant to the type of it's leaders. Any NT could have just seen it as a tool (just like most governments). I doubt that any government that truly was more concerned with values than political administration wouldn't last very long (even as long as the Nazis). I think they just realized that it was their ticket to power. I would be highly surprised if there is any effective government anywhere that does not have NTs in key leadership positions.

    So to answer your question, I have no idea.
    They did have NTs in leadership positions. In administration such as Department of Finance, in the production of the art and propaganda films.
    These people were not Nazis.
    The Nazi party was a paramilitary organization.

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