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    Einstein: ESFJ
    Edison: ISFP

    I'm just considering possibilities!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    Einstein: ESFJ
    Edison: ISFP

    I'm just considering possibilities!
    I'd say more ISFJ for Edison!
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    I think that Einstein was a Feeler.

    He spent the last years of his life trying to come up with a comprehensive "theory of everything" because he was very upset by the idea that the world doesn't function in a perfectly precise way, which in his opinion would mean that there is a God or that God is totally different from what he thought. Would a thinker really become so obsessed with a vague idea of some kind of God? Plus, Einstein also wrote about pshycis very lovingly. "God doesn't throw dice." What kind of a thinker would become so poetic about science? That's delusional. For thinkers, it has to be hard logic, not furry, fuzzy, blurry emotions.

    An Einstein quote: "The ideals which have lighted my way, and time after time have given me new courage to face life cheerfully, have been Kindness, Beauty and Truth." What kind of thinker would really blurt out stuff life that, especially an INTP with virtually no sense of Fi? Einstein seems to be very idealistic, very Fi-driven. I say he's an INFP.

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    Trying to come up with a "theory of everything" is total, unadulterated Ti. Also, his idea of God is a really nice description of Ti:

    "I believe in Spinoza's God, Who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind."

    The idea that Thinkers don't believe in god, can't be poetic, don't express emotions...that really is silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    Trying to come up with a "theory of everything" is total, unadulterated Ti.
    enneagram 5 more than Ti. the desire to KNOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    enneagram 5 more than Ti. the desire to KNOW.
    Not just "know", but to understand - to seek a "theory of everything" is to assume that everything (not just some things, but EVERYTHING) can be understood on a fundamentally logical level - a model of the universe that leaves no stone unturned. That's Dominant-Ti right there.

    It's the central fallacy of the ITP - that it's only a matter of time before you're absorbed enough information that you'll be able to understand, in advance, the fundamental mechanics of everything. That way you won't have to bother stepping outside of your own shell, because why bother anymore? There's nothing new to find!
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    How is that related to Fi or being a feeler, Kaveri? Einstein is a classic INTP, Ti leading, seeking logical precision and a defined and understood world, not moral perfection like an INFP. He may have been a lower T with an amount of F too, but an INTP nonetheless. Introvert, because he was focused on his inner world of ideas, and not all that much on being around and being energized by people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaveri View Post
    I think that Einstein was a Feeler.

    He spent the last years of his life trying to come up with a comprehensive "theory of everything" because he was very upset by the idea that the world doesn't function in a perfectly precise way, which in his opinion would mean that there is a God or that God is totally different from what he thought. Would a thinker really become so obsessed with a vague idea of some kind of God? Plus, Einstein also wrote about pshycis very lovingly. "God doesn't throw dice." What kind of a thinker would become so poetic about science? That's delusional. For thinkers, it has to be hard logic, not furry, fuzzy, blurry emotions.

    An Einstein quote: "The ideals which have lighted my way, and time after time have given me new courage to face life cheerfully, have been Kindness, Beauty and Truth." What kind of thinker would really blurt out stuff life that, especially an INTP with virtually no sense of Fi? Einstein seems to be very idealistic, very Fi-driven. I say he's an INFP.
    when einstein says god doesn't throw dice he means that everything can be explained logically just because it has a poetic tone doesn't mean an F said it

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    Not just "know", but to understand - to seek a "theory of everything" is to assume that everything (not just some things, but EVERYTHING) can be understood on a fundamentally logical level - a model of the universe that leaves no stone unturned. That's Dominant-Ti right there.

    It's the central fallacy of the ITP - that it's only a matter of time before you're absorbed enough information that you'll be able to understand, in advance, the fundamental mechanics of everything. That way you won't have to bother stepping outside of your own shell, because why bother anymore? There's nothing new to find!
    again, this is e5. e5 are information junkies. the method that the truth comes to light is one thing, but a grand theory of everything does not preclude other types. it only represents e5, which, un-coincidentally, are often Ti types. but also Ni.

    one of my best friends is an intp 5w4. i am an infj 5w4. we are equally cosmological. theory is merely a representative model, a compression of information, and Ti types believe that bc Ti fits story-telling, linear progression, weaving together compositional elements in logical ways, it is the only true way of modeling the universe. our representations, as Ni users, are more expansive. we recognize the universe and the truth of the universe in a different, embodied, whole of the past and bringing infinite context to the near future, kind of way. we see it, and then we communicate it thru action and gestures. the imagination is not secondary to Ti in theory-making. codifiying into form is difficult for everyone, bc it is by necessity leaving something out.

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    Hee, I admit that I was provocating. I don't really think that Einstein is an INFP, I just wanted to read arguments for why he's a T. It was fun to combine that with some silly stereotypes about MBTI.

    One thing that I wonder about is that I relate to nearly everything that Einstein has said about God. In my opinion, too, God can be seen in the precise laws of nature. And I don't think that God necessarily cares about humans and their prayers... not sure about that, though.

    Anyway, the point is, I think about God and science and their relationship in a very similar way with Einstein, and I'm not a T. I'm not a 5, either. I'm either a 9w1 or a 4w5 (although I'm not sure if I believe in enneagram in the first place... or MBTI, for that matter xD).

    Things like this make me doubt typing. How could my "temperament" predict what I think about God? That's just a silly thought.

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