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    Default Blackwater's List of Controversial Philosopher Typings

    A sort of preliminary concensus seems to have formed regarding the types of great thinkers and philosophers. - While I greatly appreciate the interest and concensus, I simutaneously wish to see if I might be able to shake up some of the established definitions a little. This list will primarily be controversial to those of you who don't believe that E's and/or S's can do philosophy and of course, to those of you who belive all philosophers to be INTP as well

    Some of these claims are very well researched on my party, though these are primarily the ones of the Greek/Roman period. I am bothered by the persistant claim that Socrates was an Introvert, which has seemingly very little evidence to back it up.

    Contradictions to this typing, as well as all the others are very welcome, especially if they are argued and not just corrected without any attempt to construct a case for the correction in question. - Happy reading

    Homer INFP
    Heraclitus INxJ
    Parmenides xNxx
    Empedocles ENxP
    Buddha INFJ
    Socrates ENTP
    Diogenes ESTP
    Plato INFJ
    Xenophon ISxJ
    Aristotle ENTJ
    Epicurus IxTP
    Cicero ENTJ
    Galen ENTJ
    Marcus Aurelius IxFJ
    Origen ENTP
    Tertullian INTJ
    Augustine INFP
    Milton INFP
    Aquinas INFJ
    Dante INFJ
    Plotinus INFJ
    Averroes ENTx
    Muhammad ENTJ
    St. Francis ISFP
    Leibniz INTP
    Descartes INTP
    Machiavelli ENTP
    Spinoza INTP
    Voltaire ENTP
    Da Vinci ENTP
    Calvin INTJ
    Erasmus xNxJ
    Bruno ENTP
    Locke IxTx
    Hobbes IxTJ
    Diderot ENTP
    Tocqueville ENTP
    Hume ENTP
    Kant INTP
    Hegel INTP or INFJ
    Franklin ENTP
    Jefferson INTP
    Rousseau IxFP
    Montesquieu xNTP
    Newton INTx
    Rousseau ISFP
    Goethe xNFJ
    Kierkegaard INFP
    Nietzsche INTJ
    Schopenhauer INFJ
    Wagner ENxJ
    Oscar Wilde ENTP
    Benard Shaw ENTP
    Marx INTx
    Heidegger INTJ
    Hannah Arendt ENTP
    Freud ENTJ
    Adler INTJ
    Jung INFJ (I know he identifies himself as INTP)
    Fromm ENFJ
    Horney INFP
    Sartre INTJ
    de Beauvoir INFJ
    Camus INFP
    Husserl INTP
    Briggs INFP
    Keirsey INTP
    Bertrand Russel ENTP
    H.J. Eysenck ENTJ
    I. Yalom INFJ
    Rand INTJ
    Dennett ENTP
    Foucault ENTP
    Derrida INTP
    Deleuze INTP
    Lacan ENTP
    Luc Ferry ENTP
    Richard Rorty INTJ
    Popper INTx
    Einstein INTP
    Habermas INTP
    Richard Dawkins ENTP
    Christopher Hitchens INTJ
    Zizek ENTP
    Steven Pinker ENTP
    Bluewing INTP
    Blackwater ENTP
    Leo Strauss INTP
    Chomsky INFJ
    Matt Ridley ENTP
    Terrance Deacon ENTP
    Richard Wiseman ENFP
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    I've usually heard Newton described as an INTJ, not INTP.

    (will present reasons why later; short on time now)
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    Lol at the last two on your list.

    Good list overall. I'd agree with most of the people on your list. The only ones that raise questions from me are Aristotle, Jefferson, and Newton.

    I've always seen Aristotle typed as an INTP, and I'm curious why you put him as ENTJ. I can't make a thorough case for him other than he seemed to be knowledgable about many different subjects and some of them with a large amount of depth. I thought his most remarkable attributes were all scholoarly in nature. Putting that together usually defaults to an INTP in my mind, so I'm curious why you'd put him as ENTJ.

    Jefferson I think is INTJ, but I'm sure someone else can make a better case for him than I can.

    Newton I'm certain is INTJ, and I do know quite a bit about him. He really was the first to have the insight into creating Calculus, but he wasn't terribly good at explaining it. Incredible insight and poor communication are both hallmarks of an INTJ. In contrast Leibniz developed Calculus at about the same time and his notation is still used today while Newton's for the most part is not. Newton was brilliant but a poor communicator. Also I know he invented a type of telescope, and invention is more a hallmark of N-dominant types. (That alone doesn't exclude INTP, but it's just another detail that labels him more easily as INTJ.) Also the famous anecdote of discovering universal gravitation while sitting under an apple tree is essentially a description of Ni in action.
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    Why ISFP for Rousseau?

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    can't handcuff the wind Z Buck McFate's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    Socrates ENTP
    Marcus Aurelius ISFJ
    Freud ENTJ
    Socrates ENFP
    Marcus Aurelius INFJ
    Freud INTJ

    Socrates: I’m having a hard time explaining this one. Maybe it’s because- in school- I always read Socrates directly alongside reading Aristotle (who is clearly, clearly a T)- and the contrast between the two makes me suspect Socrates is an F.

    Marcus Aurelius: The thoughts he put into his journal revolved around his preoccupation with maintaining composure of his feelings, and it’s like he was obsessed with keeping ‘the big picture’ constantly in mind in order to achieve this emotional stasis. It’s that ‘big picture’ perspective that makes me think he’s N.

    Freud: The guy came up with a rather accurate template of the human psyche, all by himself, from scratch. He would have needed a really strong Ni for that much introspection.

    Edit: having second thoughts about Freud. ENTJ seems somehow right. Maybe he was an Ni dom ENTJ.

    This is all I have time for right now. I'll probably come back to hit some toward the bottom of the list later (like Foucault, I'm not sure I agree with ENTP).

    [Does anyone else feel somewhat hesitant playing at ‘typing’ people from before the Age of Reason? Sometimes I wonder if the T/F polarity is different in people (present day) as a result of it.]
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    Hegel INTP
    I see Hegel as an INFJ. Infamous for his obscurity, a synthesizer of paradoxes, and someone whose ethics were rooted in society.

    Kant INTP
    This is another one I don't see. Kant's focus on how reality is limited by our perceptions is classic Ni, and while he explores logic, this exploration is aimed toward practical purposes, as we would expect from a Te-user.
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    Christopher Hitchens INTJ
    Really? I thought ENTP

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    There are many mistakes in the typings. I cannot trust the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    There are many mistakes in the typings. I cannot trust the list.
    Why would anyone need to 'trust the list'? 'Typing' these people is just a game, we can't possibly begin to actually know what any of these people were. (Right?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    Why would anyone need to 'trust the list'? 'Typing' these people is just a game, we can't possibly begin to actually know what any of these people were. (Right?)
    Fine if you call it a game. But continuous research of some of the people on the list can tell us the proper type of them.

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