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    She screams ENFJ to me. She isn't bubbly enough to be an ESFJ. She values things mostly only NFs would value: intellect, indentity, self-worth, etc. She takes her job seriously and said herself that she doesn't "fuck around." Her demeanor is that of grace and wit.
    She doesn't use as much body language as much as I would expect an S to use. She doesn't and nod her head and use her hands to show how enthusiastic she is about something.
    I also feel that she always knows the right words to say, like the hurricane interview. I believe that this is a gift given to ENFJs. The ability to detect and use their N side to come up with the perfect response.
    Also, as Lookin4theBestNU stated, she is reluctant to accept compliments. ESFJs STRIVE off what other people think of them. They need constant reassurance and reminders that they are liked, are helpful, and needed. Reese just has too much drive in herself to be considered like that. Let's face it-- ESFJs are not as independent. Reese is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlnamedbless View Post
    She screams ENFJ to me.
    All right, I really do relent!

    Thank you, girlnamedbless, for checking her out, and may I say that your self-awareness awes me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    And so it begins...

    I started another thread about differences/commonalities between ENFJs and ENFPs. I am of the belief that ENFPs and ENFJs often get confused for each other, more so than ESFJs and ESFPs because both are NFs. I am also of the belief that ENFJ Jness doesn't look like typical Jness because I think Fe is more likely to be used to connect and not to enforce. I think that NeFi looks like Fe. ENFPs that are more Fi than Ne tend to be more centered than ENFPs that are more Ne. Likewise ENFJs that are more Ni than Fe tend to look more stereotypically ENFP than ENFJs who are more Fe than Ni.

    What I think is happening with RW is if she is in fact an ENFP, she's a more Fi heavy ENFP, which to take the phrase from XNFJiminy gives her a more constant and steady presence that is more characteristic of an ENFJ.
    I can agree with this. I know a lot of ENFP's, but the ones with the "constant and steady presence" tend to be older and more mature. I.e. they have developed their Fi to the point that their Ne is under control when they interact with people if they so choose. I also agree that ENFP and ENFJ can be a lot alike, and in RW's case it is not as easy to discern as it would be in other people. There are some ENF's where the J/P preference is easier to tell. Robin Williams is an ENFP with extreme P. Oprah is an ENFJ with extreme J. Other ENF's, like Reese, are not as easy to discern.

    Note to Economica: I'm focusing on J/P because it helps to decipher if she is Fe dominant or Ne dominant.

    L4TBNU: I agree with your commentary.
    Yes I appreciate the commentary as well. Although just like many other things about Reese, the comments could apply to either ENF type.

    TLL, I don't consider J/P a "function" meaning someone "acts like" a P or J because they're neat or messy or late or timely or things like that. J/P is strictly an indicator of the dominant function.
    I was simply mimicking terminology that you used earlier in this thread. I'd actually prefer comparing Ne to Fe, since I believe that is specifically going to be what determines an ENFP from an ENFJ.

    I don't know any ENFPs or ENFJs personally to ascribe certain behaviors to a type. All I can do is answer for myself and if another ENF wants to chime in then even better. I will say that I don't want this to turn into a competition between ENFs to day which is more what. I can see both of these types equally able to do these things. I don't know if it would be easier for one type to do it than another, but I don't think that it's strictly within the domain of an ENFP or ENFJ.
    I have to disagree here. Every type has strengths and weaknesses. You can't really say all types can do all things equally well, because it's not true. I'd prefer an INTP to an ESFJ if I wanted to know about an abstract and theoretical idea like an obscure philosophy. If I wanted to organize a social event, then I'd go to the ESFJ instead. Each type has strengths and weaknesses, and that is one of the more clear indicators of how to determine a person's type.

    For the record I do not know many ENFJ's personally, but I do know many ENFP's. (The only type I have a wider sample of from personal experience is INTP.)

    Are ENFJs not perceptive? If you want to compare Oscar nominations, Kate Winslet (an ENFJ who is roughly the same age is RW) has been nominated four times. Her performances are very organic and she approaches acting similar to the way RW does:
    Well I'm not saying the ENFJ's are virtually blind, they are in fact quite perceptive especially when it comes to people. But perception is not their primary function. Comparing ENFP to ENFJ, the ENFP is the more perceptive of the two. Ne is perceiving, and Fe is judging. It shouldn't be surprising that ENFP is more perceptive.

    More importantly though, I am not saying that winning an Oscar makes a person a dominant perceiver. But the reason that Reese won this particular Oscar is important. She won an Oscar for a biographical role. If you compare her performance to that of Joaquin Pheonix (an INFP) doing Johnny Cash, you see that she does a better job. Actually I originally thought Joaquin Pheonix did the better job as I was watching the movie, but then I did research into what Johnny Cash was like, and I found out that he didn't really portray Cash's personality too closely. Reese was much closer in her portrayal of June Carter Cash.

    I think Joaquin Pheonix is a great actor, but when it comes to biographical roles having a keen perception of the person you are trying to portray is what is most important. Joaquin's primary function is Fi, and that is why he had a harder time with his biographical role. Reese not only did a good job in her performance, she won an Oscar for imitating another person. That doesn't just require good perception. It requires the most exceptional perception. This is one of the bigger reasons I think she is a ENFP.


    An ENFJ afraid to assert themselves? Have you seen my signature?? Have you ever experienced ENFJ Righteous Anger and Indignation accompanied by Se that'll probably pick up and throw something at you, tear the walls down, and then apologize profusely afterwards all the while saying it really wasn't their fault because they were trying to help you?! And then don't let me think someone is being mistreated! You should really get around some ENFJs in defense or revolutionary mode.
    Well this point and the similar points below are what I consider to be small details (much like I consider the pet peeve with the coasters to be a small detail). I'm not saying this makes someone a clear P or J, rather it's a minor preference one way or the other.

    In this case I'm not saying that J's have any trouble asserting themselves in general (they certainly don't). But when it comes to specifically asserting themselves against authority figures J's are more likely to do as told, and P's are more likely to resist. The distinction is probably more prevalent in say ESTP/ESTJ rather than ENFP/ENFJ, so I'm fine with not discussing this point further.

    Well, I most definitely wouldn't be a hands off parent, so if ENFPs are more prone to being less involved with their children then I concede this one.

    I don't know if that is true or not. Even if Ps are more likely to start their own business that doesn't mean that Js don't start their own business at all. And I'd think that an J business venture is more likely to suceed than a P business venture because a J is more driven and committed after the initial novelty wears off. That was hideously stereotypical so you are completley within your rights to ignore it. Also, why did she start her own company? Did she feel there was a dearth or a void that needed to be filled in Hollywood? Fe!! She saw a need and wanted to fulfill it. Not that Ne wouldn't do this, I'm not trying to an ENFP wouldn't I'm just trying to get at her motivations (which none of us really know but so help us, we're trying).
    I don't know if I should respond to these in detail or not. As I've said these are preferences and do not indicate large divides. All things being equal you will find more P's starting businesses, but there are still quite a few J's represented.

    Hey I'm a J and I'm not at all like Tracy Flick. Once again, I'm not using J/P as an individual function. Even if I was, there are gradients between J/P just like any other trait.
    Again it's a small piece of evidence. But no one has big pieces, so I go with what I have.

    Isn't Bono supposedly an ENFJ? Doesn't he like to swear in front of the UN and presidents, and prime minister. I'm all for cussing if it will emphasize a point and impress upon people the seriousness and passion with which I'm speaking. Plus it's fun! Fuckety fuck! Now would I swear on national TV? Hmmm, not likely. But just because RW feels comfortable cussing doesn't mean that ENFPs feel more comfortable doing it while ENFJs don't.
    I think you just proved my point for me. You wouldn't swear in a national interview. I don't know if you were raised in DC or somewhere else, but Reese is raised in the South, so if she were EFJ, I'd see something like this as even less likely.

    (Btw, I'd probably type Bono as ENFP lol. Although if he is ENFJ I'd add that Ireland is quite a different culture from Tennessee/Louisiana.)

    I really don't think you can say that most Ps have better chemistry with other people. That's not at all true. If anything I think Fe would be better suited for responding in this regard.
    This is not what I am saying. Chemistry with people in general is not the same with chemistry with other actors. Actors do a scene many times in many different ways. It's a huge advantage to be able to adapt quickly to all of these changes. You don't know what the other actor is going to do until they do it. That is why it is an advantage in acting to be a P.

    Again this is a preference. J's can certainly do well in acting, but P's have the advantage. This is similar to how J's have an advantage in a highly structured environment like a corporation. P's can certainly learn to thrive in a corporate environment, but J's have an advantage.

    How many ENFJs do you know? Can you really make a statement like that? You make ENFJs sound so brittle and rigid that they'll snap in half.
    This is certainly not my intention. You are misinterpreting many of my statements and I am trying to clarify, but I am not sure how you arrived at this conclusion.

    I really don't think ability to portray S and N characters makes someone an N, or can be used as evidence that the particular actor is an ENFP.
    I heartily disagree. I'm out of time, and I'd like to go on into a huge explanation why this is true. Maybe I'll get into it later. The short version is "Acting style is a refection of how a person perceives the world. Since S's and N's have radically different ways of perceiving the world, the difference will be revealed in how an actor portrays their characters."

    Fe is about connecting and disconnecting if necessary. I don't know if RW is trying to connect with the interviewer, maybe she tries to connect with the character she's portraying but I wouldn't waste my time trying to connect with the interviewer.
    Fair enough. All things being equal though dominant judgers are more active than dominant perceivers. The dominant judging function compels a person toward more activity. A dominant perceiver is comparatively passive.

    I type on vibes and I trust those vibes to be accurate. Nothing we're doing here is scientifically validated so I'm not going to stop. Also I do think dress is indicative of personality type. I hight doubt an ENFP would be as safe a dresser as an ENFJ. Don't you think an ISFJ would dress differently than an ISFP or ESFP or ESTJ?
    Nothing wrong with following a vibe for yourself, but how can you be expected to convince someone else with a vibe. I cannot feel your vibes, so you'll need to come up with another method to convince me of your viewpoint. Conversely, how will you allow me to convince you of my viewpoint since you cannot feel my vibes?

    Btw, if you can type a person based on dress then you have some details wrong. My wife, an INFJ, is one of the most outlandish dressers that you'll ever meet. She certainly does not fit your earlier hypothesis about INFJ's.

    In summary I still think she is an ENFP, and I didn't get any details describing her as specifically ENFJ. All I am hearing is people's impression of interviews, which can be somewhat revealing but is only one small part of typing a person. Interviews do not necessarily show a person in their most natural transparent form, especially ENF's who are known for wearing masks and letting few people know them with any depth. I've said this before and I'll repeat it. I don't participate in many of these typing threads because I don't believe that you can type a person from simply a few minutes of interview.
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    Well I don't think we're going to convince each other so I'll let it rest.

    I do have something to say about types having different abilities. I agree with you about that. Certain types do excel at things. What I will say in this instance is we're comparing ExFx types specifically ENFs. These two types have an incredible amount of overlap, so I can see where finer distinctions are harder to catch. I also think it's weird that most ENFJ actors/musicians that I've suggested, you think they're ENFPs. What can I say? Maybe it is difficult to tell these two types apart? ENFJs obviously don't lack a perceiving function. Your perceiving function is how you take in information. I don't think you can take in info through a judging function, so from my understanding of MBTI having a dominant perceiving function doesn't mean a person is more able to receive information. Just because ENFJs don't wear their skin inside out doesn't mean they don't have nerves.

    As far as typing celebs, I also agree it's not that I think we do from 5 minute clips or a few quotes. Just something fun to do and I get to exercise my knowledge of MBTI.
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    It's Monday morning coffee posting time! Disjunct Paragraph Warning.

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    FYI, TLL, my rationalization wheels are now spinning in your favor since I also need the ENFP slot filled.

    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    What I think is happening with RW is if she is in fact an ENFP, she's a more Fi heavy ENFP, which to take the phrase from XNFJiminy gives her a more constant and steady presence that is more characteristic of an ENFJ.
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    I can agree with this. I know a lot of ENFP's, but the ones with the "constant and steady presence" tend to be older and more mature. I.e. they have developed their Fi to the point that their Ne is under control when they interact with people if they so choose.
    What do the people who have called ENFJ on RW say to this? Could we be mistaking a Southern upbringing focusing on poise and appropriateness along with a well-developed Fi disciplining the Ne - for Fe?

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    I agree (in this thread, anyway ) that the coasters thing does not exclude ENFP. My SO's major pet peeve is smoking. Smoke in his presence and he becomes a study in cognitive dissonance: As a smoker you are part of a group of people that he hates with a passion - but he still likes you, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Your perceiving function is how you take in information. I don't think you can take in info through a judging function, so from my understanding of MBTI having a dominant perceiving function doesn't mean a person is more able to receive information.
    But someone whose dominant function is perceiving will do more of it, everything else being equal, than a person whose dominant function is judging, right?

    Dominant perceiving function: Takes in as much information as possible, stopping only when judgment becomes necessary.
    Dominant judging function: Takes in as much information as necessary in order to start judging.

    Of course, necessity is in the eye of the beholder. My own Te is pretty quick on the draw despite being formally subordinate to my perception. ... Hmm, maybe my Ni needs to reassert itself. In threads like these it's obvious even to me how my Te is putting on airs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    I don't believe that you can type a person from simply a few minutes of interview.
    Obviously I do. ... Well, based on everything YouTube's got plus written interviews plus movie roles and only when the actor in question is a rather clear-cut version of their type... Let's just say I'm still missing most of the 32 slots.

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    The only data I have on Reese Witherspoon is the roles she consistently plays, and those are top-heavy with ESFPs.

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    Well, I don't like reading long posts with lots of quotes in it, so I skipped most of the replies and based my answer only on the OP. I think that she is definately not an ENFP. She's not "excited" enough and doesn't have those, "please talk to me," eyes. I don't know any ENFJs in person so I can't accurately say that she is one, but it does seem to fit rather well. She seems perfectly confident talking about her own abilities and faults, too, which I wouldn't expect from an ENFP.
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    I don't know if you can type people with great accuracy based on small amounts of information. However, I do think you can make an educated guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by witherspoon
    .. I can intuit people's behavior and their feelings. That's what I do for a living.
    Okay, so it's a quintessential ENFJ quote, but does it disqualify her as an ESFJ?
    I think I just need to point out that we need to be careful when people use MBTI-related terminology when not in an MBTI-related discussion.

    IOW, I would be a remiss INTP if I did not point out that her understanding of "intuit" might not mean "intuit" in the sense we would all like to take it.

    (The ESFJ I knew well here at work would call herself both "analytical" and "intuitive"... but she was clearly an ESFJ, not a T *or* an N. She was probably as textbook ESFJ as you could imagine... but I could understand the context for her self-descriptors.)

    I don't know much about Reese. I simply know that S/N gives off vibes for me. I sense something ethereal about N's that S's do not put off because they are focused on the tangible world. And I never got any N vibes off Reese (or Natalie Portman, as another example, or Scarlett Johansen), in the moments I have happened to see her on TV or in a movie.

    (As counter examples, I get distinct vibes from Kate Winslet and Cate Blanchett and Naomi Watts and Nicole Kidman for an N sense.)
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    "Vibes" don't count!
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