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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    He appreciates Ayn Rand. Some sort of INT?
    I have an INFP male friend who loves Ayn Rand.

    I think his Fi is really drawn to the whole idea of being an individual who lives for no one, and no one lives for him. But he's really nice, in his way. He's definitely an INFP, too.

    But Cooper could be INT, I'm more sure of INxx than anything else about him.

    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    Agree, I noticed that Ne/Se is more about others ideas/actions(Se?) when it comes opinions. And Fe/Te is more about how others judge them or their opinion of them. Something like that.
    Yes, I want other people's ideas and opinions about things. Speaking of INFPs, there was one on the forum who seemed to be mystified that I would go around asking everyone what they thought my type was, to him that made no sense at all, but it seemed to me like the wisest thing to do before I made a final decision.

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    For Don I would say ENTJ or possibly INTJ. I think Betty is an ISTJ.
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    My list:

    Don Draper- ISTP (Absolutely obvious. He's an independent type who lives for today's action and sensory experiences, reflected in constant boozing and sex)

    Betty- ISFJ (Very immature and stuck in a Si-Ti loop)

    Roger Sterling- ESFP (He can be thoughtless and crude, but he's so damn charming the whole time. He's impulsive and romantic and wants to be the center of attention.)

    Joan Holloway- ESTX (Very aware of social protocol, though NOT an F, and self-confident, she's ambitious and uses the knowledge she has to pursue her own ends. Free with the verbal barbs and utterly blunt when she doesn't need to charm. Pragmatic survivor-type and relies on rationality, see tourniquet scene.)

    Peggy- INXX (Dunno)

    Pete- ENTP- (Certainly an N, he's very forward-thinking and future-oriented. Can't explain it, but this type just seems to perfect.)

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    You know, ESTP would be my second guess for Joan after ESFP. ESTP makes sense with her ambition.

    I really don't think Betty is immature, honestly. I don't know what makes you say that. Her psychiatrist says that, but men were really hard on women during that time period, and it's before he realizes that she's having a nervous breakdown because her husband is cheating on her and she's in denial that everything is perfect...which seems like clear-cut ISFJ behavior to me.

    I think some of the men on the show act like a bunch of children, for the most part, drinking all day and cheating on their wives...

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    I'm not trying to come down particularly hard on Betty, indeed many of her emotional problems are justified and rooted in Don's horrific disrespect and lies. But, nevertheless, immaturity is a major part of her characterization and impacts how her ISFJ type comes across. She came from a rather repressed and sheltered family life where she was taught that beauty was her only valuable asset. Betty goes almost immediately from this environment, excepting a very brief stint in Manhattan and Italy as a model (which is just another formulation of her beauty obsession), to being Mrs. Draper cookin' dinner. She was never able to have the experiences necessary to fully develop as a person; this is why she struggles to deal with her domestic struggles in a healthy manner.

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    Yea I don't get why everyone hates on Betty. Maybe it says more about the type of girls I'm attracted to though. I don't know maybe the fact that I feel like she means well makes me tolerate or forget her childish temper tantrums and immature way of dealing with things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colombe Gris View Post
    I'm not trying to come down particularly hard on Betty, indeed many of her emotional problems are justified and rooted in Don's horrific disrespect and lies. But, nevertheless, immaturity is a major part of her characterization and impacts how her ISFJ type comes across. She came from a rather repressed and sheltered family life where she was taught that beauty was her only valuable asset. Betty goes almost immediately from this environment, excepting a very brief stint in Manhattan and Italy as a model (which is just another formulation of her beauty obsession), to being Mrs. Draper cookin' dinner. She was never able to have the experiences necessary to fully develop as a person; this is why she struggles to deal with her domestic struggles in a healthy manner.
    That's about the only kind of family life there was, in her social class. Being a model in Manhattan and Italy is a lot more stimulating than standing around being Mrs. Draper cookin' dinner and having her husband not come home yet another night or come home late with a "hard day at the office" attitude. She's treated like an object. She's kind of the textbook for the beginnings of the women's movement, when women were like, I don't know what's wrong with me, but cleaning and cooking and dealing with kids all day is not making me feel very fulfilled, my husband doesn't come home nights and I'm tired of being understanding, something's wrong with me ... marriage and kids were supposed to be my big fulfillment and I'm bored to tears ... She was also an anthropology major -- she's not a stupid woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colombe Gris View Post
    I'm not trying to come down particularly hard on Betty, indeed many of her emotional problems are justified and rooted in Don's horrific disrespect and lies. But, nevertheless, immaturity is a major part of her characterization and impacts how her ISFJ type comes across. She came from a rather repressed and sheltered family life where she was taught that beauty was her only valuable asset. Betty goes almost immediately from this environment, excepting a very brief stint in Manhattan and Italy as a model (which is just another formulation of her beauty obsession), to being Mrs. Draper cookin' dinner. She was never able to have the experiences necessary to fully develop as a person; this is why she struggles to deal with her domestic struggles in a healthy manner.
    This was common for women in that time period. That didn't have any other choices. Actually, Betty's experience of going to college and traveling while she was a model make her much more experienced and less sheltered than many, many other women of the working and lower-middle classes who went straight from high school to being married.

    I like Betty. I don't think she's immature. I think she's emotionally distraught because she's very much in love with her husband, and he does things like take off in the middle of their daughter's birthday party to supposedly pick up a cake, then instead gets drunk and returns after dark when all the guests have left.

    If anyone is emotionally immature, it's Don, though he is more worldly and is obviously intelligent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoSunshine View Post
    For Don I would say ENTJ or possibly INTJ. I think Betty is an ISTJ.
    I've already given my views on Don being an ENTJ, and his constant fantasies of up and running away don't seem to fit an NTJ personality. I don't think he's an extrovert, and I also don't see an INT intellectual type of personality with him, though he is very intelligent, he's not exactly bookish. His boss basically cajoles him into reading Ayn Rand after constantly mentioning it to him. I don't think I see him reading a book other than that one for two seasons - mostly he's working, drinking, or having affairs and going to dinner. I believe this is an intentional part of character development, as there are other characters in the show who clearly read and write more in their spare time. From what I understand NTJs can be quite faithful, as well, taking great pride in their commitments. I'm not saying an NTJ wouldn't have an affair, but Don is constantly chasing some dame.

    As for Betty being ISTJ, I think if she were ISTJ she might have been a little more inclined to try to have some kind of career other than modeling instead of having the dream of being a wife and mother. She seems surprised in the second season when she meets her old roommate and friend who is not yet married. Joan, on the other hand, is probably an ESTP like someone else pointed out ...makes sense, she's the same age as Betty, but was more inclined to work and wait for marriage until she was in her 30's.

    I also think Betty is inclined to emotion like an F, as well subtley correcting others on social propriety like an IxFJ, particularly an ISFJ.

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    Funny, I also thought Donal Draper is ENTJ, but he's introverted. It's pretty obvious, how much he keeps in himself, an extravert wouldn't do that, it would be too damn difficult.

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