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    Default Sheryl Crow?

    Thoughts on her type? She was a school music teacher before she quit and worked hard to make it big in the music industry.

    She seems very well-rounded. The only letter I'd presume from her is J, and all the rest I'm a little uncertain about.

    She carries on discussions that would get the nod of respect from NTs with her arguments and detached manner of conversation, but seems very in tune with her emotions.

    She appears very drawn to topics of eternal consequence (larger societal issues) but I've never seen a sensor get annoyed with things about her, which makes me think she has S skills (or preferences?) as well as N skills (or preferences!).

    I think she's an introvert from her tendency to think before she speaks, as well as the fact that she spends a lot of time by herself with her music, adding others after composition. (Let's not equate stage confidence with extraversion, though I'm not certain of intraversion on her part).

    My guess is ixfJ from her, with considerable skill or balance. Maybe she's an independent ISFJ or maybe she's an INFJ.
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    my guess is isfj. an infj would never write "all i wanna do" or "everyday is a winding road." plus an infj would NEVER marry lance, or anyone named lance, for that matter. plus, it makes my head explode thinking: plath, dickinson, crow.

    i'd like to know what type liz phair is. seems very S to me as well.

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    Kevin Gilbert, who helped launch her career (and who got dumped by her; which caused him much suffering) was an ENFP. That's all I know on Sheryl Crow.


    Pointless I know, but I felt like sharing. :P

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    I don't know, she could be an ENFJ.

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    INFJ with good Ti.

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    she's sooooo S! i see Si Fe Ti Ne. look at her songs. "if it makes you happy" "everyday is a winding road" "all i wanna do" "strong enough" "soak up the sun" "my favorite mistake" "the first cut is the deepest"

    these are NOT infj songs. they're painfully down-to-earth. dominant Ni is totally out of the question. so cliche and so unthoughtful, so uncomplex, so easy-going and so conceptually empty

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    she's sooooo S! i see Si Fe Ti Ne. look at her songs. "if it makes you happy" "everyday is a winding road" "all i wanna do" "strong enough" "soak up the sun" "my favorite mistake" "the first cut is the deepest"

    these are NOT infj songs. they're painfully down-to-earth. dominant Ni is totally out of the question. so cliche and so unthoughtful, so uncomplex, so easy-going and so conceptually empty
    Did she write those all by herself? Why wouldn't an INFJ write songs like that? INFJs can be very romantic and conventional.

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    we see the world in more complex terms. we see a myriad of possibilities and the connections between things that get swept up in motion, in new directions, in angles, in complex webs.

    this is not how we think, we turn statements over and over like a rubix cube. we find as many possible perspectives and synthesize them into something more complex, a higher unity, etc. we do not just latch onto a fucking cliche and call it a day. when we do put forth our answer, it is rooted in this complexity, the way in which it will impact and actualize the potential in others, and the Ti causal connections that make it logically follow, that integrates the details within a larger picture.

    also, she seems way more behind-the-scenes than chart-the-course.

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    It'll be nice to know whether she wrote them all by herself or with somebody else... Some songs like Ironic and A change would do you good screams of Ni humor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    she's sooooo S! i see Si Fe Ti Ne. look at her songs. "if it makes you happy" "everyday is a winding road" "all i wanna do" "strong enough" "soak up the sun" "my favorite mistake" "the first cut is the deepest"

    these are NOT infj songs. they're painfully down-to-earth. dominant Ni is totally out of the question. so cliche and so unthoughtful, so uncomplex, so easy-going and so conceptually empty
    Her library as a whole cannot be described by the bolded adjectives you list, and I would argue not even all of those songs you list could. If you believe that, you are certainly missing her intended and clear lyrical undertones probably for a lack of listening to them carefully. (Check out There Goes the Neighborhood for social and media critique, for example.)

    One I wouldn't argue with you on is Soak Up the Sun , written in response to 9/11, and was said to have accomplished her goal to help swing the morale of the USA ("accomplished" as judged by its huge reception and radio time). She intended to write this "tone" of song to accomplish a lofty goal, which points more to NJ than S.

    Others that you cite are, for example, covers of previous generation pop songs, not written by her, recorded for movies that she rarely performs in concert.

    But what do you make of songs that better illustrate her comprehensive library? They surely might still be S types but they are more distinctly different than the ones you cite.

    Way back in the year of 2017
    The sun was growing hotter
    And oil was way beyond its peak
    When crazy Hector Johnson broke into a refinery
    And the black gold started flowing
    Just like Boston tea

    It was the summer of the riots
    And London sat in sweltering heat
    And the gangs of Mini Coopers
    Took the battle to the streets
    But when the creed was handed down
    For no more trucks and no more cars
    They threw cans of petrol through the windows at Scotland Yard

    Gasoline
    Will be free, will be free
    Gasoline
    Will be free, will be free

    When the Mounties stormed the palace of the Saudi family
    They held them up for ransom
    Without disturbing their high tea
    But their getaway was shaky
    They stalled in the Riyadh streets
    Cause you can't make it very far
    When your tank is on empty

    The final can of gasoline was loaded on a truck
    And driven through the streets of Agra to the palace aquaduct
    You see, all the majesty of worship that once adorned these fatal halls
    Was just a target to the angry
    As they blew up the Taj Mahal

    Gasoline
    Will be free, will be free
    Gasoline
    will be free, will be free

    Gary ran a market way down in Tennessee
    Where all the farmers got together and talked about this great country
    But when the government turned its back on farming
    Man, what I hear
    They dragged the pumps out of the ground
    With a big vintage John Deere

    I've got soldiers on my payroll
    Standing guard on my front drive
    Snipers on the roof poised at those
    Who don't want me alive
    Cause they audited my taxes
    My family under threat
    Cause I've got a message and a megaphone
    And I'll scream it to the death

    Gasoline
    Will be free, will be free
    Gasoline
    Will be free, will be free

    You got the farms in Argentina
    Making fuel from sugar cane
    You got the bastards in Washington
    Afraid of popping the greed vain
    Cause the money's in the pipeline
    And pipeline's running dry
    And we'll be the last to recognize
    Where there's shit there's always flies
    Riverwide
    I spent a year in the mouth of a whale
    With a flame and a book of signs
    You'll never know how hard I've failed
    Trying to make up for lost time

    Once I believed in things unseen
    I was blinded by the dark
    Out of the multitude to me
    He came and broke my heart

    When the dust in the field has flown
    And the youngest of hearts has grown
    And you doubt you will ever be free
    Don't bail on me

    River is wide and oh so deep
    And it winds and winds around
    I dream we're happy in my sleep
    Floating down and down and down
    *You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.
    *Faith is the art of holding on to things your reason once accepted, despite your changing moods.
    C.S. Lewis

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