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Quinlan

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Why do people assume just because a person is compassionate and freedom fighting that they must be an NF?

In general, why?

I assume he is an F because I'm leaning towards his dominant function being Fi.


I can at least give him INFJ, but I still think INTJ is open because he was non violent to the grave and personally, I think an NF would have backed down or lashed out after a while.

Are you saying NF = inevitably violent? I don't understand this. Fi is stubborn and resilient, once a line has been drawn nothing external will budge it.

No way he was a P, he was the change "Be the change you wish to see in the world." He carried and manifested everything, and I can't see a P being so persistent

Exactly(bolded)! Internal judgement not external judgement. His focus on change was directed inwards not outwards, this actually points towards P not away from it. As for persistence, this has nothing to do with J or P, he was so persistent and resistant of external pressure because he drew his strengh from within (Fi), not from the external world.
 

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I still don't see INFP. I see INxJ

edit: What I think you are doing is implying his concrete personality and what he did to match his personality. Did we know him personally? No, we didn't so we really can't claim his type based on what he did. Think abstractly for a moment, will you. It's not what he did, but how he did it. He did it thoroughly and strongly. Either he had a terribly hard and rough time doing it as an NP, or he was a J. I tend to think he was a J because of his incredible strength towards what he wanted.

It would have taken a Mastermind to overtake the British, I would think. He was an incredible strategist which is an NT trait, and he followed through with his strategies which implies J. An NF is more of a counselor and less a mastermind and wouldn't have had the ability to abstractly plot out movements to overthrow the giant that lay resting atop it.

There's no way he was an INFP, man. You can think whatever you want, and I can think what I want. But in general, I'm just trying to prove my opinion and nothing more. We can't be sure.
 

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He wasn't a typical leader though, surely INFPs can be leaders? And I imagine an INFP leader would be very much a lead by example type, take me or leave me kind of leader like Gandhi.



Resistence of authority seems more of a P trait than a J trait to me and strong Fi is one of the most (if not the most) stubborn functions regarding things of importance.



Emotions ruining a feeler? Why?

Gandhi's idealogy of being the change you want to see in the world seems very Fi to me, change the world not by changing others or systems but by changing yourself.

You don't think emotions can ruin a feeler? Maybe not an SF, but NF goes so deep that emotions can turn somebody sour given the right circumstances.
 

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I don't think it's exclusive to F or even any more likely to happen to an F than a T.

I don't either. I think an F would be more torn down by emotions than a T would be given a harsh and radical situation like Ghandi.
 

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I don't either. I think an F would be more torn down by emotions than a T would be given a harsh and radical situation like Ghandi.

I don't understand this, a healthy F is a master of emotion, not a slave to it. Are you saying Fs are emotionally weaker than Ts?
 

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^ They are, but they're also stronger at times. They simply have a greater range of emotional depth, at both extremes.
 

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I don't understand this, a healthy F is a master of emotion, not a slave to it. Are you saying Fs are emotionally weaker than Ts?

No, but more vulnerable. Do you realize the full extent that emotions have to play within an NF?
 

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No, but more vulnerable. Do you realize the full extent that emotions have to play within an NF?

No, not truly, I am SF. I do feel I have a reasonable understanding of what Fi involves though.

I know some Ts love to think that they have no (or little) emotion but I think when the shit hits the fan and a T is overcome by a powerful emotion, they can be completely blindsided, they're less likely to understand the emotion (through lack of experience) and therefore less likely to deal with it in a healthy way.

If I was to suggest a tenous link between type and the likeliness of emotional breakdown, I would suggest people-pleasers (FJs) and workaholics (TJs) as the most likely.

Neuroticism is probably a better measure than T vs F.

That is just how I think of the theory.
 

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It would have taken a Mastermind to overtake the British, I would think. He was an incredible strategist which is an NT trait, and he followed through with his strategies which implies J. An NF is more of a counselor and less a mastermind and wouldn't have had the ability to abstractly plot out movements to overthrow the giant that lay resting atop it.
:laugh::laugh:
 

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I still don't see INFP. I see INxJ

edit: What I think you are doing is implying his concrete personality and what he did to match his personality. Did we know him personally? No, we didn't so we really can't claim his type based on what he did. Think abstractly for a moment, will you. It's not what he did, but how he did it. He did it thoroughly and strongly. Either he had a terribly hard and rough time doing it as an NP, or he was a J. I tend to think he was a J because of his incredible strength towards what he wanted.

When I think abstractly about him he seems like Fi personified.

It would have taken a Mastermind to overtake the British, I would think. He was an incredible strategist which is an NT trait, and he followed through with his strategies which implies J. An NF is more of a counselor and less a mastermind and wouldn't have had the ability to abstractly plot out movements to overthrow the giant that lay resting atop it.

Passive resistance is less of a strategy and more of an ideal, the fact that it worked seemed almost beside the point because he felt it was simply the "right" thing to do, the only "good" way to bring about change.

There's no way he was an INFP, man. You can think whatever you want, and I can think what I want. But in general, I'm just trying to prove my opinion and nothing more. We can't be sure.

I agree, we can't be sure, you can go on being certain and putting limits on what types can and can't do (which don't really exist) and I will go on being uncertain and openminded about his possible type.
 

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Another description with parts that I think best reflect Gandhi in bold;

INFPs, more than other iNtuitive Feeling types, are focused on making the world a better place for people. Their primary goal is to find out their meaning in life. What is their purpose? How can they best serve humanity in their lives? They are idealists and perfectionists, who drive themselves hard in their quest for achieving the goals they have identified for themselves.

INFPs are highly intuitive about people. They rely heavily on their intuitions to guide them, and use their discoveries to constantly search for value in life. They are on a continuous mission to find the truth and meaning underlying things. Every encounter and every piece of knowledge gained gets sifted through the INFP's value system, and is evaluated to see if it has any potential to help the INFP define or refine their own path in life. The goal at the end of the path is always the same - the INFP is driven to help people and make the world a better place.

Generally thoughtful and considerate, INFPs are good listeners and put people at ease. Although they may be reserved in expressing emotion, they have a very deep well of caring and are genuinely interested in understanding people. This sincerity is sensed by others, making the INFP a valued friend and confidante. An INFP can be quite warm with people he or she knows well.

INFPs do not like conflict, and go to great lengths to avoid it. If they must face it, they will always approach it from the perspective of their feelings. In conflict situations, INFPs place little importance on who is right and who is wrong. They focus on the way that the conflict makes them feel, and indeed don't really care whether or not they're right. They don't want to feel badly. This trait sometimes makes them appear irrational and illogical in conflict situations. On the other hand, INFPs make very good mediators, and are typically good at solving other people's conflicts, because they intuitively understand people's perspectives and feelings, and genuinely want to help them.

INFPs are flexible and laid-back, until one of their values is violated. In the face of their value system being threatened, INFPs can become aggressive defenders, fighting passionately for their cause. When an INFP has adopted a project or job which they're interested in, it usually becomes a "cause" for them. Although they are not detail-oriented individuals, they will cover every possible detail with determination and vigor when working for their "cause".

When it comes to the mundane details of life maintenance, INFPs are typically completely unaware of such things. They might go for long periods without noticing a stain on the carpet, but carefully and meticulously brush a speck of dust off of their project booklet.

INFPs do not like to deal with hard facts and logic. Their focus on their feelings and the Human Condition makes it difficult for them to deal with impersonal judgment. They don't understand or believe in the validity of impersonal judgment, which makes them naturally rather ineffective at using it. Most INFPs will avoid impersonal analysis, although some have developed this ability and are able to be quite logical. Under stress, it's not uncommon for INFPs to mis-use hard logic in the heat of anger, throwing out fact after (often inaccurate) fact in an emotional outburst.

INFPs have very high standards and are perfectionists. Consequently, they are usually hard on themselves, and don't give themselves enough credit. INFPs may have problems working on a project in a group, because their standards are likely to be higher than other members' of the group. In group situations, they may have a "control" problem. The INFP needs to work on balancing their high ideals with the requirements of every day living. Without resolving this conflict, they will never be happy with themselves, and they may become confused and paralyzed about what to do with their lives.

INFPs are usually talented writers. They may be awkard and uncomfortable with expressing themselves verbally, but have a wonderful ability to define and express what they're feeling on paper. INFPs also appear frequently in social service professions, such as counselling or teaching. They are at their best in situations where they're working towards the public good, and in which they don't need to use hard logic.

INFPs who function in their well-developed sides can accomplish great and wonderful things, which they will rarely give themselves credit for. Some of the great, humanistic catalysts in the world have been INFPs.
 

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Quinlan, while I could certainly see Gandhi being a P, I think most of the stuff you highlighted in that article would apply to all NF's in general. The 'laid-back' part would probably be the one thing that applies to NFP's but not to NFJ's.
 

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The difference is, where is his control and judgement directed? Towards the outer world or towards his inner world? To me it seems obviously directed inwards; passive resistance, non-violence, fasting etc., it's all about self-control, a FJs strength of will/control is directed outwards onto others and things, a FPs strength of will/control is directed inwards upon themselves.

This self-control is the strength/persistance/will that some people mistake for Jness, what they are mistaking is that these traits are also common in Ps, they are just introverted so they're not quite so "out there". His judgement is obvious because being INFP his judging function is dominant.
 

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Listen man, in my eyes he's an INTJ and I see all of what you have said and I still stand by my opinion. It's not like me to be stubborn, but I simply cannot see him has as an INFP.
 

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So far, Quinlan has made the best arguments here, so I stand with him.
 

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I think Gandhi was an INFJ.
I read a biography on him.
Here are my reasons for thinking so.

-He was always very sensitive. He is described as being very sympathetic and empathetic.
-He was described as very reserved, and despite being a revolution leader- unlike more Extraverted revolutionaries (e.g: Martin Luther King), little is described about the wide range of friendships he had- probably because he didn't seek such things.
-Gandhi always found self-control, discipline, and hard work to be very easy. He took on leadership roles very early on, while he didn't actively seek out leadership and had very few traits of an ambitious self-promoter, he was confident in his ability to lead and organize.
When he was in South Africa in his twenties, there were others who were disappointed with the discrimination against Indians, and others who were doing something about it- Gandhi was the one who held the reins of leadership despite only being his twenties.

Hence, why I think Gandhi was an INFJ.
 

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Listen man, in my eyes he's an INTJ and I see all of what you have said and I still stand by my opinion. It's not like me to be stubborn, but I simply cannot see him has as an INFP.

Yes, he could have been the mystical subtype of INTJ. i.e. Giordano Bruno.

But really Ghandi seems too group orientated, external systems bent for INFP. I could see INTJ or INFJ.
 

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^ Agreed on INFJ.

It takes more of a functional perspective than a profile-oriented one to see why, though.
 
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