nba players

[NewEra]

it could be completely wrong, so factor that in.

i think tim duncan, steve nash, and robert horry are the most likely to be right. bird could easily be an istp as could dr j.

Steve Nash is an ExTP, he's definitely an extrovert from what I've seen of him. Plus he doesn't really act like an INTP. Tim Duncan - yes. Larry Bird - he's most likely ISTP. Don't know about Horry or Dr. J.

 

[Jeffster]

Most athletes are likely SP. With a fairly large contingent of SJs. I believe there are some N athletes, but they are a very small minority. Professional athletics requires constant awareness of immediate environment, you cannot be what people on this site have referred to as "sensotard" and have any hope of succeeding in athletics. So when trying to come up with athlete types, I would start with SP and look for reasons that they don't fit that.

Recently I've been thinking about temperament and coaching, and considered three prominent championship NBA coaches. I believe one of them is an N.

Larry Brown - SP
Gregg Popovich - SJ
Phil Jackson - NT

I'd be happy to give my reasons for those deductions if anyone cares, but I picked those simply because to me they are a study in contrast, yet all very successful with very different coaching methods and styles.

 

[NewEra]

Recently I've been thinking about temperament and coaching, and considered three prominent championship NBA coaches. I believe one of them is an N.

Larry Brown - SP
Gregg Popovich - SJ
Phil Jackson - NT

I'd be happy to give my reasons for those deductions if anyone cares, but I picked those simply because to me they are a study in contrast, yet all very successful with very different coaching methods and styles.

That's interesting, Jeff. I agree with coach Jackson as NT (likely INTJ) and coach Pop as SJ (likely ESTJ). I've seen Phil typed as INTJ quite often. And yeah, SP's are the most common I would say, SJ's second most, NT's third most, and NF's 4th most.

Notable players from each type:

SP's: LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard, Shaquille O'Neal, etc.

SJ's: Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Derek Fisher

NT's: Tim Duncan

NF's: Gilbert Arenas

 

[onemoretime]

ESTP - pretty much anyone ever described as a "true point guard". So Nash, Stockton, Chris Paul, Isiah, Kidd, etc.

You have to be Se dominant to see the holes in coverage, while the Ti helps by allowing the player to stay cool in tense situations. Focus is of primary importance, as well, and Fe helps by establishing a sense of camaraderie with your teammates, leading to an acceptance of your role as floor general.

 

[the state i am in]

john stockton is not extraverted. he's Ti dominant. i don't really agree with any of your choices. i see istp as way more common.

chris paul is extraverted but i don't think he's an estp. nash could go either way.

 

[sleuthiness]

I used to read nba stat books inside and out, year after year. Analyze the players/coaches/owners with the same kind of focus. I added/rearranged a few that I'm pretty certain of with maybe a short comment or two.

guess until we get it right!


INFJ
Delonte West
Marcin Gortat
Jordan Farmar
Steve Novak?
Ben Gordon

INTJ
Phil Jackson
Alvin Gentry
Rick Carlisle
Doug Collins
Don Nelson
Paul Westphal
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol
Chris Kaman
Luol Deng
Aaron Gray
Kosta Koufos
Fabricio Oberto
Zaza Pachulia

INTP
Doc Rivers
Vinny Del Negro
Derrick Rose
Kirk Hinrich
John Stockton
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Reggie Miller
Tim Duncan
Steve Nash
Robert Horry
Tayshaun Prince
Peja Stojakovic
Kevin McHale
O. J. Mayo
Julius Erving
Stephen Curry
Hasheem Thabeet
Kevin Martin
Julian Wright
Vladimir Radmanović
Danny Ferry

INFP
Carl Landry (<3)
Dwight Howard - soft-spoken guy
Adam Morisson
Dirk Nowitzki
Chris Webber
Greg Oden
Jermaine O'Neal
Mitch Richmond
Latrell Sprewell (choked his annoying esfj warriors coach)
Shawn Kemp
Josh Howard
Alan Houston
Jerry West
Larry Johnson
Tyson Chandler
Jerry Stackhouse
Eric Gordon
Erick Dampier
Andrés Nocioni
Joe Johnson
Josh Smith

ENFJ
Derek Fisher - comes off as confidant, beaming in interviews
David Robinson
Pat Riley
Bill Russell
Richard Jefferson
Reggie Theus
Shane Battier
José Calderón
Mike D'Antoni
David Lee

ENTJ
Chris Andersen - he's the fuckin' birdman, for god's sake!
J. R. Smith
Joe Dumars
Stan Van Gundy
Jeff Van Gundy
Ronny Turiaf
Mark Cuban

ENFP
Clyde Drexler
Bill Walton
Luke Walton
Baron Davis
Manu Ginobili
Gilbert Arenas
Yao Ming
Vince Carter
Kevin Garnett
Rudy Tomjanovich
Rajon Rondo
Mike Brown (coach)
Stephon Marbury
Anderson Varejão
Jason Richardson
Joakim Noah
Jamal Crawford
Mike Woodson

ENTP
Dennis Rodmon
Jason Terry (chatty little critter)
Brandon Roy
Brian Shaw
Devin Harris
Sam Cassell
Bruce Bowen
Brent Barry
Lindsey Hunter
Tim Thomas
James Posey
Rudy Fernández
Erik Spoelstra

ESTJ
Avery Johnson
Amare Stoudamire
Greg Popovich
Kendrick Perkins
Linas Kleiza
Kenyon Martin
Carlos Boozer
David West
Rick Barry (watch his freethrow lessons on youtube. Besides, which other type would make a lasting reputation out of doing something very logical but just as clunky? Think of the typical estj dad with pants burning into his armpits.)
Blake Griffin
Scott Skiles
Darko Miličić

ESTP
Lebron James
Charles Barkley
Charles Oakley
Gary Payton (watch the nba tv show with Webber, Payton, and infp Amaad Rashad to get some goofball beta action)
Ron Artest
Oscar Robertson
Scot Pollard
Jameer Nelson
Al Thornton
Mehmet Okur
Andre Iguodala

ESFJ (i.e. tattooed-up crybabies!)
Rasheed Wallace
Carmelo Anthony
Shawn Marion
Mike Dunleavy
Trevor Ariza
Anfernee Hardaway
Travis Outlaw
Cuttino Mobley

ESFP
Magic Johnson
Gilbert Arenas
Shaquille O'Neal
Karl Malone
Alonzo Mourning
Ray Allen
Wilt Chamberlain
Antoine Walker
Ricky Davis
Charlie Villanueva
Tyrus Thomas
Joel Przybilla
Andre Miller
Al Harrington

ISFP
Dwyane Wade
Kevin Durant
Paul Pierce
Isaiah Thomas (MJ resemblance!)
Scottie Pippen
James Worthy
Vin Baker
Moses Malone (this is a wild stab)
Andrew Bynum
Lamar Odom
Flip Saunders
Rashard Lewis
Paul Millsap
Nene
Antawn Jamison
Glen Rice
Michael Finley
Elton Brand
Channing Frye
LaMarcus Aldridge
Al Jefferson

ISFJ
Chris Bosh
Grant Hill
Robert Parish
Eric Snow
Leon Powe
Daniel Gibson
Mark Madsen
Kyle Korver
Raja Bell

ISTP
Kobe Bryant (a highly idealistic one, at that)
Larry Bird
Chris Paul
Byron Scott
Michael Jordan
Chauncey Billups
Jason Kidd
José Juan Barea
Hakeem Olajuwon
Mike Bibby
Patrick Ewing
Richard Hamilton
Tony Parker
Allen Iverson
George Karl
Jerry Sloan
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Tim Hardaway (a guess stemming from his public slamming of homosexuals)
Andrei Kirilenko
Leandro Barbosa
Monta Ellis
John Salmons
Lawrence Frank

ISTJ
Jamaal Mashburn! (compare with Condy Rice)
Tracy McGrady
Chris Mullin
Marcus Camby (check the "this or that" youtube video to confirm)
Rick Adelman
Vlade Divac
Kurt Rambis
Ben Wallace
Brad Miller
Mark Jackson (awful on tv, too)
Francisco García
Steve Blake
Eddie Jordan

I'm not sure about Mark Price. Seems Beta fo sho.

Comments? q's?

 

[Jeffster]

I think maybe you guys are getting confused by the acronym NBA. The N stands for National, not Intuitive. If there are that many Intuitives in the NBA, then I am the king of West Uganda.

 

[sleuthiness]

Let's judge the tip of the iceberg!

 

[NewEra]

I used to read nba stat books inside and out, year after year. Analyze the players/coaches/owners with the same kind of focus. I added/rearranged a few that I'm pretty certain of with maybe a short comment or two.


Comments? q's?

Disagree with a few of the big names. You may know stat books inside and out, but I've read about a few of the players in great depth. I'm not challenging your knowledge, I'm just saying I've read a lot about a few of the great players. The other players (about 90% of the league), I can't type accurately because I don't know enough.

The ones I disagree with and the types that they are (I mentioned this before):

Kobe Bryant - ISTJ (not ISTP)
Tracy McGrady - ISFP (not ISTJ)
Gilbert Arenas - INFP (not ESFP or ENFP - you have him in there twice by the way)
Shaquille O'Neal - ESTP (not ESFP)
Chris Bosh - ISFP (not ISFJ)
Dwight Howard - eSFP (not INFP)


The ones I agree with:

Magic Johnson - ESFP

 

[sleuthiness]

Disagree with a few of the big names. You may know stat books inside and out, but I've read about a few of the players in depth. I'm not challenging your knowledge, I'm just saying I've read a lot about a few of the great players. The other players (about 90% of the league), I can't type accurately because I don't know enough.

The ones I disagree with and the types that they are (I mentioned this before):

Kobe Bryant - ISTJ (not ISTP)
Tracy McGrady - ISFP (not ISTJ)
Gilbert Arenas - INFP (not ESFP or ENFP - you have him in there twice by the way)
Shaquille O'Neal - ESTP (not ESFP)
Chris Bosh - ISFP (not ISFJ)
Dwight Howard - eSFP (not INFP)


The ones I agree with:

Magic Johnson - ESFP

I guess we'll agree to disagree on Kobe. Can't see an istj pulling 80 points off. Kobe wants MORE MORE MORE, full of ego, excess pride, but doesn't accept limits, convention (at least in his own little mind, but it's the thought that counts).

Good catch on McGrady.

Gilbert is a perfect example of an insanely intuitive enfp. Can you say rags to riches to rags to riches to rags again and again, while still maintaining complete confidence with your team at the bottom of the garbage heap? I would've sailed away with jeffster by this point.

Shaq is all over the internet/television/radio waves, going back on past remarks, creating drama, etc. Dude craves the attention.

And as accomplished of an individual player Bosh is, in interviews he remarks pensively, the internal tension of whether to push for himself and leave a crappy team or stick around (slave to the snowball that is fear of change/leaving an already crappy team to the dogs) apparent. Frankly, if he were an isfp, he'd have left already.

I'd like to hear why you think Howard is esfp. The guy is a beam of sunshine on the court, but in interviews is soft, words dribblings from his lips like a leaky faucet, nervous eyes, wishful thinking, etc. makes me think infp. Almost cried watching one of his interviews.

 

[NewEra]

I guess we'll agree to disagree on Kobe. Can't see an istj pulling 80 points off. Kobe wants MORE MORE MORE, full of ego, excess pride, but doesn't accept limits, convention (at least in his own little mind, but it's the thought that counts).

Ego doesn't have a type limitation. ANY type can be egotistical. And not all ISTJs accept convention, plus the very high Fi. I've explained far more on Kobe so I don't have to go in depth on this. Like you said, we'll agree to disagree.

Gilbert is a perfect example of an insanely intuitive enfp. Can you say rags to riches to rags to riches to rags again and again, while still maintaining complete confidence with your team at the bottom of the garbage heap? I would've sailed away with jeffster by this point.

I agree that Gilbert is definitely NFP, but I think he's INFP. He is a self-proclaimed 'hermit' who likes to be alone.

Shaq is all over the internet/television/radio waves, going back on past remarks, creating drama, etc. Dude craves the attention.

And as accomplished of an individual player Bosh is, in interviews he remarks pensively, the internal tension of whether to push for himself and leave a crappy team or stick around (slave to the snowball that is fear of change/leaving an already crappy team to the dogs) apparent. Frankly, if he were an isfp, he'd have left already.

I'm not so sure that's true. What would make an ISFP more likely to leave? And he doesn't appear unhappy at all in Toronto. I mean, they're not winning, but he's still young. Admittedly, this is a tough one too. Bosh is definitely an introvert though.

I'd like to hear why you think Howard is esfp. The guy is a beam of sunshine on the court, but in interviews is soft, words dribblings from his lips like a leaky faucet, nervous eyes, wishful thinking, etc. makes me think infp. Almost cried watching one of his interviews.

Haha wow, Dwight creates the opposite in me. He's a very upbeat type of guy, seemingly talking to everyone. He's a practical joker, playing these practical jokes on people, a kid at heart. To me he fits the ESFP type description, although I could potentially see ENFP too. But he seems too energetic, social, jovial, and gregarious to be an INFP.

 

[sleuthiness]

Ego doesn't have a type limitation. ANY type can be egotistical. And not all ISTJs accept convention, plus the very high Fi. I've explained far more on Kobe so I don't have to go in depth on this. Like you said, we'll agree to disagree.



I agree that Gilbert is definitely NFP, but I think he's INFP. He is a self-proclaimed 'hermit' who likes to be alone.

Haha wow, Dwight creates the opposite in me. He's a very upbeat type of guy, seemingly talking to everyone. He's a practical joker, playing these practical jokes on people, a kid at heart. To me he fits the ESFP type description, although I could potentially see ENFP too. But he seems too energetic, social, jovial, and gregarious to be an INFP.

I don't think Kobe has high Fi. If anything, his Ni (if we're still thinking mbti) is off the charts. Interviewed immediately after winning the 2009 title, he remarked how he'd "envisioned" (or using a synonym along those lines) winning the title years back.

enfp seems the strongest possibility for Howard, yeah. You got me!

I love v.i.!

 

[NewEra]

I don't think Kobe has high Fi. If anything, his Ni (if we're still thinking mbti) is off the charts. Interviewed immediately after winning the 2009 title, he remarked how he'd "envisioned" (or using a synonym along those lines) winning the title years back.

The pent-up sadness during his booing in 2002 in Philadelphia, he always used to be proud of his clean image,

Plus the TJ drive and perseverence that he has with his goals to be one of the best ever.

SJ shows in devotion to duty vs. partying with the teammates.

But like you said, we'll agree to disagree, since I went through this in detail earlier.

 

[sleuthiness]

The pent-up sadness during his booing in 2002 in Philadelphia, he always used to be proud of his clean image,

Plus the TJ drive and perseverence that he has with his goals to be one of the best ever.

SJ shows in devotion to duty vs. partying with the teammates.

But like you said, we'll agree to disagree, since I went through this in detail earlier.

How do you reckon that he was sad? TV? Quotes? Remember that all sports are, first and foremost, entertainment.

I remember Kobe driving up to my highschool to pick up Vanessa Lane when I was a freshman. Meeting your duality partner that you'd spend the next 10 years of your life with can drastically improve the lives of both involved, allowing you to function as part of a greater whole without any noticeable effort on either's part (apart from being in each other's vicinity). Maybe only when removed do both parties realize the need to make adjustments to simply be together.

The above should be considered a possibility.

Or maybe Kobe has always been responsible. God knows he didn't learn from his father.

 

[sleuthiness]

I was thinking of Ben Gordon all playoffs long. Darn guy likes that money a heck of a lot, so I guess istj would be a better fit. But he seems to sit on one side or the other of that super-ego distinction.

 

[NewEra]

How do you reckon that he was sad? TV? Quotes? Remember that all sports are, first and foremost, entertainment.

I remember Kobe driving up to my highschool to pick up Vanessa Lane when I was a freshman. Meeting your duality partner that you'd spend the next 10 years of your life with can drastically improve the lives of both involved, allowing you to function as part of a greater whole without any noticeable effort on either's part (apart from being in each other's vicinity). Maybe only when removed do both parties realize the need to make adjustments to simply be together.

The above should be considered a possibility.

Or maybe Kobe has always been responsible. God knows he didn't learn from his father.

I knew he was sad because he said "my feelings are hurt" at the 2002 All-Star Game in Philadelphia. He was upset and hurt that the crowd disrepsected him because he has tremendous loyalty to both Philly and Italy.

I was thinking of Ben Gordon all playoffs long. Darn guy likes that money a heck of a lot, so I guess istj would be a better fit. But he seems to sit on one side or the other of that super-ego distinction.

Gordon is one of the quietest players in the NBA, at least on the court. He has that admirable quiet confidence. I could definitely see ISTJ fitting him too. And I agree on Mark Jackson as ISTJ too, I can tell from watching him on ABC lol.

 

[whimsical]

id love to hear about more infj ball players, explained a bit more perhaps for a used-to-be-watcher

 

[onemoretime]

Allen Iverson is a clear ISFP, in my estimation. Watch him speak in a non-basketball context.

 

[SuperFob]

id love to hear about more infj ball players, explained a bit more perhaps for a used-to-be-watcher

Michael Jordan was an NFJ of some sort (though, people have such a limited view of NFJ's that they'll disagree with that).

 

[NewEra]

Have to add two more here:

Dennis Rodman - ENFP
Ron Artest - ENFP

Allen Iverson is a clear ISFP, in my estimation. Watch him speak in a non-basketball context.

Very possible. I thought he was definitely ISxP, actually was leaning toward ISTP, but he's either that or ISFP.

Michael Jordan was an NFJ of some sort (though, people have such a limited view of NFJ's that they'll disagree with that).

Jordan was an NFJ? I heard many reports stating he was ISTP.