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    Esfp or maybe isfp sounds about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Conduit View Post
    Depends on the individual but probably not.
    Right, because the ESFP introverts in other contexts. ESFPs love to be the center of attention and thus they are often labeled 'entertainer' or 'perfomer.' However, when Fi comes forth, the fun and spontaneous ESFP becomes rigid and judgmental, even preachy, when provoked by signs of social injustice.

    But if Mercury was an ISFP, then why doesn't every ISFP appear to be an ESFP on stage or desire to be an entertainer of some sort?

    The MBTI is a weak theory, and giving it a Jungian spin (as has been done over the last 20 or more years) doesn't take care of any of its flaws. Or where it does, it only produces new flaws.

    The ISFP person can type as many Enneagram types, often as 4w3, 6w7, or 9w8. These e-types are psychologically conflicted and contradictory. The 4 is a quiet, unassuming, and socially introverted type, while the 3-wing seeks social success or achievement. The 6 seeks to merge safely with and disappear within a social group or ideology, while the 7-wing is more flamboyant and socially risky. The 9 seeks merger with an individual and is very devoted to that person, while the 8-wing is territorially expansive and seeks adventure, feeling held back by relationships.

    The ESFP person, on the other hand, doesn't type as many different and contradictory e-types. That mbti type statistically correlates with 7w8 and occasionally 8w7, and only rarely with other e-types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    Right, because the ESFP introverts in other contexts. ESFPs love to be the center of attention and thus they are often labeled 'entertainer' or 'perfomer.' However, when Fi comes forth, the fun and spontaneous ESFP becomes rigid and judgmental, even preachy, when provoked by signs of social injustice.

    But if Mercury was an ISFP, then why doesn't every ISFP appear to be an ESFP on stage or desire to be an entertainer of some sort?

    The MBTI is a weak theory, and giving it a Jungian spin (as has been done over the last 20 or more years) doesn't take care of any of its flaws. Or where it does, it only produces new flaws.

    The ISFP person can type as many Enneagram types, often as 4w3, 6w7, or 9w8. These e-types are psychologically conflicted and contradictory. The 4 is a quiet, unassuming, and socially introverted type, while the 3-wing seeks social success or achievement. The 6 seeks to merge safely with and disappear within a social group or ideology, while the 7-wing is more flamboyant and socially risky. The 9 seeks merger with an individual and is very devoted to that person, while the 8-wing is territorially expansive and seeks adventure, feeling held back by relationships.

    The ESFP person, on the other hand, doesn't type as many different and contradictory e-types. That mbti type statistically correlates with 7w8 and occasionally 8w7, and only rarely with other e-types.
    I don't know what to tell you. It's a weak theory, and yet here you are frequenting a forum where a large portion of discussion pertain to it, and you have at least enough faith in the system to list a MBTI type in your profile.

    Still think he's ISFP

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    If he wasn't an ESFP, then no one is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Conduit View Post
    I don't know what to tell you. It's a weak theory, and yet here you are frequenting a forum where a large portion of discussion pertain to it, and you have at least enough faith in the system to list a MBTI type in your profile.

    Still think he's ISFP
    I'm not against the ISFP theory, but I'm not being given a good reason to believe it.

    You're focusing on "The MBTI is a weak theory" part, but if I took out that entire paragraph my point would remain. If Mercury was an ISFP, then he's certainly very different from my wife who is an ISFP, and from millions of other ISFPs who don't come off as ESFPs at certain times. Because the ISFP doesn't care to be the center of attention. But IF Mercury really was an ISFP, then his behavior isn't well explained by the MBTI. It is best explained with the enneagram.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    I'm not against the ISFP theory, but I'm not being given a good reason to believe it.

    You're focusing on "The MBTI is a weak theory" part, but if I took out that entire paragraph my point would remain. If Mercury was an ISFP, then he's certainly very different from my wife who is an ISFP, and from millions of other ISFPs who don't come off as ESFPs at certain times. Because the ISFP doesn't care to be the center of attention. But IF Mercury really was an ISFP, then his behavior isn't well explained by the MBTI. It is best explained with the enneagram.
    Fair enough. My wife is also an ISFP. She spent a good part of her younger years performing in theatre. She's generally a behind-the-scenes person but there is that spotlight-loving side to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Conduit View Post
    Fair enough. My wife is also an ISFP. She spent a good part of her younger years performing in theatre. She's generally a behind-the-scenes person but there is that spotlight-loving side to her.
    What's her enneagram type?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    What's her enneagram type?
    She shows no interest in taking a test. I've guessed 4w3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Conduit View Post
    She shows no interest in taking a test. I've guessed 4w3.
    Assuming that's correct, my wife is 9w8 iSFP and has zero interest in performing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    Assuming that's correct, my wife is 9w8 iSFP and has zero interest in performing.
    Based on my (limited) knowledge, I wouldn't expect 9s to be interested in the spotlight.

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