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Types of all the U.S. Presidents

Jonny

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I'm not feeling Obama as ENTJ. He has this diffidence about him in some ways that doesn't jive with ENTJ. I associate ENTJs with a lot of centralized, intense energy, and I don't get that from him.

I mean, it's hard to argue with a "he appears something else but he's ENTJ underneath it all" argument, and I'm admittedly relying on a lot of pure intuition, but I think that if he's an ENTJ, he's a very atypical one.

Well I would have to say the only one of his preferences which is questionalbe, just because of how he presents himself, is the T. But he seems more T than F to me, even though his chief concern seems to be bettering humanity.
 

theplacesyoullgo

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Yeah, I'd agree with that. I also don't necessarily get a definite J vibe either.

I think the phrase I was looking for earlier was "calm and collected." He epitomizes that and ENTJs so don't.

Also, an ENTJ would have said something to Joe Wilson - ha ha.
 

incubustribute

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Okay, there seems to be this weird thing concerning Grant.

Whenever I see typings of General Grant, he's an INTJ, however whenever I see typings of President Grant, he's and ISFP.

Did he get hit on the head really hard between the two careers? Because that's kind of a drastic change.

I could be wrong, but I believe the issue is that after presidents become presidents they get slammed in the face by the semi truck of American public scrutiny and judgment. As a result, they have to tone down their eccentricities and personality issues so that their political image is seen as well balanced.
 

Srho

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Obama's such a J it's not even funny. He knows exactly what he wants people to feel, especially concerning himself. He comes off like the most typical NJ parent of all time with the defined bubble he puts his daughters under. Not that that has to be a bad thing when you're a president. But ENTPs and ENFPs are some of the funniest people out there and Obama has a very calculated, appropriate sense of humor.
 

Torai

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Jefferson was an INFJ.

We rule out ENTP because he was an Introvert.

We rule out INTP because INTPs have an inferior Fe, which was not the case with Jefferson. His Fe was strong. He cared about being polite and keeping the peace. He was also jealous of Hamilton's charisma.

One of his famous quotes, “Be polite to all, but intimate with few.”

Doesn't that scream INFJ behavior to you?
 

SamAdams

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i think Obama is very nt and his type is entj to me when he debates
Ni already planned out the answers and Te snuffing out wrong facts
 

Eugene Watson VIII

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I always thought of Obama as ExFJ. He seems too personable to be an NT I think. Probably learning towards ENFJ.
 

Speed Gavroche

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Franklin Delano Roosevelt: ESTP 8w7 So/Sp
Harry Truman: ESFJ 6w5 So/Sp
Ike Eisenhower: ISTJ 9w8 Sp/So
John Fitzgerald Kennedy: ESTP 7w8 So/Sp
Lyndon Johnson: ESTJ 8w9 Sp/So
Richard Nixon: ISTJ 6w5 Sp/So
Gerald Ford: INTP 9w8 Sp/So
Jimmy Carter: ISFJ 3w4 So/Sp
Ronald Reagan: ENFJ 9w8 So/Sx
George Bush Sr: ISFJ 6w5 Sp/So
Bill Clinton: ESFP 3w2 So/Sx
George W Bush JR: ESTP 9w8 So/Sp
Barrack Obama: ENTP 3w4 So/Sp
 

Zarathustra

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Franklin Delano Roosevelt: ESTP 8w7 So/Sp
Harry Truman: ESFJ 6w5 So/Sp
Ike Eisenhower: ISTJ 9w8 Sp/So
John Fitzgerald Kennedy: ESTP 7w8 So/Sp
Lyndon Johnson: ESTJ 8w9 Sp/So
Richard Nixon: ISTJ 6w5 Sp/So
Gerald Ford: INTP 9w8 Sp/So
Jimmy Carter: ISFJ 3w4 So/Sp
Ronald Reagan: ENFJ 9w8 So/Sx
George Bush Sr: ISFJ 6w5 Sp/So
Bill Clinton: ESFP 3w2 So/Sx
George W Bush JR: ESTP 9w8 So/Sp
Barrack Obama: ENTP 3w4 So/Sp

The only MBTI types I am not highly confident of are Roosevelt, Truman, Clinton (ENFP?), Nixon (INTJ?), and Bush II.

I can't vouch for their enneagram types, but you notice the extremely high prevalence of 3s, 6s, and 9s?

Also, *chuckles* the very low prevalence of sx?

9w8 and 6w5 seem to be very prevalent.

Nine/Ten Ss vs four/three Ns...

Eight Es vs five Is...

Eight Ts vs five Fs...

Seven Js vs. six Ps...

Very interesting...
 

Elfboy

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my guesses are
George Washington: ?STJ 8w7 So/Sp
Barack Obama: INFJ 3w4 So/Sp
George W. Bush: ENTJ 7w8 So/Sp (seriously, watch clips of him when he was younger and when off the air)
Bill Clinton: E?TP 3w2 So/Sx
Ronald Reagan: ENFJ 9w8 So/Sx
Thomas Jefferson: INTJ 3w? Sx/Sp
Abraham Lincoln: ENFJ 1w2 So/Sx
Dwight D. Eisenhower: INTJ 9w8 Sp/So

[MENTION=5356]Speed Gavroche[/MENTION]
LBJ is SOOO 8w7, not 8w9. ESTJ 8w7 So/Sp probably (compare to Henry Kissinger. a true 8w9 Sp/So)
 

Zarathustra

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my guesses are
George Washington: ?STJ 8w7 So/Sp
Barack Obama: INFJ 3w4 So/Sp
George W. Bush: ENTJ 7w8 So/Sp (seriously, watch clips of him when he was younger and when off the air)
Bill Clinton: E?TP 3w2 So/Sx
Ronald Reagan: ENFJ 9w8 So/Sx
Thomas Jefferson: INTJ 3w? Sx/Sp
Abraham Lincoln: ENFJ 1w2 So/Sx
Dwight D. Eisenhower: INTJ 9w8 Sp/So

Well, this confirms it...

You are horrible at typing people.
 

Speed Gavroche

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The only MBTI types I am not highly confident of are Roosevelt, Truman, Clinton (ENFP?), Nixon (INTJ?), and Bush II.

Roosevelt is often typed as ENTJ. But I think it's because he was a 8 that he looks like a Te-dom. Staline was a true ENTJ 8w7 So/Sp, and I think the difference is pretty clear. Staline was a "visionnary" in some sort, driven by a vision, by his own word, FDR was, above all, a pragmatist, and not dogmatic like Staline was.

Truman could have been STJ.

Clinton was an ESFP, I think. He was not an idealist, but a charming performer. He leaves me the same impression than the french president Jacques Chirac: an opportunist and an arrivist who is not driven by any specific abstract concept, but ultimately a -funny- president.

Nixon was STJ, I think. Not NTJ. Too much traditionalistic.

ESTP for Bush II seems right.

I can't vouch for their enneagram types, but you notice the extremely high prevalence of 3s, 6s, and 9s

Yes. That's in part because they are very current. 7 and 6w7 are very currents too, but there's not of them, except JFK. That's because they would be reluctant to such kind of responsability. By contrast with 3s who are very prone to take the role of social leaders.

Also, *chuckles* the very low prevalence of sx?

Yes, I noticed that. :biggrin:

Actually, there is no Sx-dom, and the only Sx-second are the So/Sx Reagan and Clinton, who clash by their unusual colorful attitude for a president.

You can also notice the absence of So-last. Which is quite natural after all. So, every of them are So-dom, plus the Sp/So. Not Sx/So because they are too much intense and extreme for that I think. The only example of Sx/So people who lead a state are Adolph Hitler, Leo Trotsky and the imam Khomeiny...


9w8 and 6w5 seem to be very prevalent.

Nine/Ten Ss vs four/three Ns...

Eight Es vs five Is...

Eight Ts vs five Fs...

Seven Js vs. six Ps...

Very interesting...

Yes. So ESTJ. Which is often considered to be the type of the cultural aura of the USA.

It's interesting to compare with the french presidents. If my guess is true, the typical french president is an ENTP. You can also notice the higher prevalence of Sx (but still no Sx-dom) and also the prevalence of 7w8 and 8w7. http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56528&p=1892411#post1892411
 

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David Keirsey/ Ray Chenoire
 

DoctorCroupy#9

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I'd always read that Teddy Roosevelt was an ENTP, not an ESTP. I could be wrong though.
 

Emotionalogic

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Here's my attempt at typing the presidents. Some of these are mere guesses, while I'm of firmer opinion about others.

George Washington - ISTJ
John Adams - INTJ. Maybe INTP. INTJ
Thomas Jefferson - INTP. Maybe INTJ. INFJ
James Madison - INTX INTP
James Monroe - XSFP?
John Quincy Adams - INTX
Andrew Jackson - ESTP Obviously.
Martin Van Buren - ESFP?
William Henry Harrison - ESFP?
John Tyler - INTJ?
James K. Polk - ISTJ?
Zachary Taylor - ISFX
Millard Fillmore - ISTP?
Franklin Pierce - EXFX
James Buchanan - ESXP?
Abraham Lincoln - INTP INFJ
Andrew Johnson - ISTJ
Ulysses S. Grant - ISFX
Rutherford B. Hayes - ESXP
James Garfield - ESFX
Chester A. Arthur - XXFP
Grover Cleveland - ESTX? ESTJ
Benjamin Harrison - IXTJ
William McKinley - ISFX
Theodore Roosevelt - ESTP Yes
William Howard Taft - XSFJ
Woodrow Wilson - IXTX INFJ
Warren Harding - XXFP
Calvin Coolidge - IXTJ INFJ
Herbert Hoover - ISTX
Franklin D. Roosevelt - ESTP Yes
Harry S Truman - ISTJ ESFJ
Dwight D. Eisenhower - EXTJ INTJ
John F. Kennedy - ESTP
Lyndon B. Johnson - ESTX ISTP
Richard M. Nixon - ISTJ INTJ
Gerald Ford - ISFX
Jimmy Carter - ISFJ. Maybe INFJ. ISFJ
Ronald Reagan - ESFP So Wrong. ENFJ.
George H.W. Bush - ISTJ. Maybe ISFJ. ISFJ
Bill Clinton - ESFP Definitely
George W. Bush - ESXP ESTP

Comments? Dissenting opinions?
Barack Obama: ENTP
 

Stephano

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Obama: ENTP
Bush II: ESxP
Clinton: ENFP
Bush I: ISFJ
Carter: IxFP
Kennedy: ESFP
Lincoln: INFP
Washington: ENTP
 
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