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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    and i love to be alone, yet i am E. what gives?
    Well you just disproved the quote... Socializing =/= E. Being outwardly focused = E. Inwardly focused = I.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Jefferson is often described as:

    Never blunt or assertive
    Almost always appealingly gracious
    Always bearing a slight ambiguousness about his positions
    abhorred dispute
    polite, soft spoken, diplomatic
    In Congress he often let Madison or Monroe do his speaking/debating for him.
    Very little sense of humor
    "sparkled" in private conversation
    Trouble with over spending
    Hid from unpleasant truths
    Could be hypocritical
    Could be vindictive
    source please
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    FUNCTION ORDER FOR THOSE THAT CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHAT ENXP MEANS: Ne > Ni > Fi=Ti > *

    ...people tell me i have wildfires in my eyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Jefferson is often described as:

    Never blunt or assertive
    Almost always appealingly gracious
    Always bearing a slight ambiguousness about his positions
    abhorred dispute
    polite, soft spoken, diplomatic
    In Congress he often let Madison or Monroe do his speaking/debating for him.
    Very little sense of humor
    "sparkled" in private conversation
    Trouble with over spending
    Hid from unpleasant truths
    Could be hypocritical
    Could be vindictive


    How many ENTP would ever be desrcibed by others as abhorring dispute?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Well you just disproved the quote... Socializing =/= E. Being outwardly focused = E. Inwardly focused = I.
    i just don't have sufficient evidence to prove that he was introverted. so instead i look at his function order, and his Ne seems to be above his Ti. in MBTI, that would constitute as ENTP.
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    FUNCTION ORDER FOR THOSE THAT CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHAT ENXP MEANS: Ne > Ni > Fi=Ti > *

    ...people tell me i have wildfires in my eyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    source please
    Thomas Jefferson: A Chronology of His Thoughts? By Thomas Jefferson, Jerry Holmes

    Thomas Jefferson: A Character Sketch By Edward Sylvester Ellis

    Jeffersonian Legacies? by Peter S. Onuf

    Thomas Jefferson by Richard B. Berstein

    The Inner Jefferson: Portrait of a Grieving Optimist? by Andrew Burstein

    The Lost World of Thomas Jefferson by Daniel J. Boorstin

    John Adams? by David G. McCullough

    Alexander Hamilton ? by Ron Chernow

    Fallen Founder: The Life of Aaron Burr by Nancy Isenberg

    A Perfect Union: Dolley Madison and the Creation of the American Nation? by Catherine Allgor

    Founding Mothers: The Women Who Raised Our Nation by Cokie Roberts

    These Fiery Frenchified Dames By Susan Branson

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Thomas Jefferson: A Chronology of His Thoughts? By Thomas Jefferson, Jerry Holmes

    Thomas Jefferson: A Character Sketch By Edward Sylvester Ellis

    John Adams? by David G. McCullough

    Jeffersonian Legacies? by Peter S. Onuf

    Thomas Jefferson by Richard B. Berstein

    The Inner Jefferson: Portrait of a Grieving Optimist? by Andrew Burstein

    Alexander Hamilton ? by Ron Chernow

    Fallen Founder: The Life of Aaron Burr by Nancy Isenberg

    The Lost World of Thomas Jefferson by Daniel J. Boorstin

    A Perfect Union: Dolley Madison and the Creation of the American Nation? by Catherine Allgor

    Founding Mothers: The Women Who Raised Our Nation by Cokie Roberts

    These Fiery Frenchified Dames By Susan Branson
    you read all of those and got less than 100 words?

    normally i wouldn't suspect people of lying to prove their own statements, but i'd reckon you just picked all of those because you knew i wouldn't bother going to the library to read every page of every single one of them to see whether you statements are true or not. besides, if you read all of those, i'd bet there are some good anecdotes in the very least a few of them that you could cite for your own claim, instead of just coming with vague general characteristics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    you read all of those and got less than 100 words?
    You really want an essay paper on Jefferson's personality? Most people on here complain about long posts and here I was trying to be concise.

    normally i wouldn't suspect people of lying to prove their own statements, but i'd reckon you just picked all of those because you knew i wouldn't bother going to the library to read every page of every single one of them to see whether you statements are true or not.
    You don't have to read every single page or every single book. I just listed some of the books I have read which talk about Jefferson. Several people here have read some of these books and they could easily catch me on any "lies" I told.

    Anyway don't you know how to use an index? Or is it that you really don't have any true interest in Thomas Jefferson? He's a fascinating personality to study.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    besides, if you read all of those, i'd bet there are some good anecdotes in the very least a few of them that you could cite for your own claim, instead of just coming with vague general characteristics.
    So now you want me to type out quotes from the books? And then even when I do, you will still accuse me of not having cited enough sources?

    Maybe I will type some of the quotes out over the course of this week. I've got housework and other stuff to do right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    You really want an essay paper on Jefferson's personality? Most people on here complain about long posts and here I was trying to be concise.
    especially when quoting vague generalizations from a huge number of books!

    Anyway don't you know how to use an index? Or is it that you really don't have any true interest in Thomas Jefferson? He's a fascinating personality to study.
    i study till i have enough data. i don't see why i should keep going through numerous volumes just to further confirm my results. what made me be skeptic was definitely the number of books you blurted out.

    So now you want me to type out quotes from the books? And then even when I do, you will still accuse me of not having cited enough sources?
    i will take your word for it. i promise.

    Maybe I will type some of the quotes out over the course of this week. I've got housework and other stuff to do right now.
    i'll be right here, watching the kids and reminiscing about my youth. the darn youngins are wild. no, back in my day...
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    FUNCTION ORDER FOR THOSE THAT CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHAT ENXP MEANS: Ne > Ni > Fi=Ti > *

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Okay, there seems to be this weird thing concerning Grant.

    Whenever I see typings of General Grant, he's an INTJ, however whenever I see typings of President Grant, he's and ISFP.

    Did he get hit on the head really hard between the two careers? Because that's kind of a drastic change.
    Not really that big of a leap, <Ni, Te, Fi, Se> to <Fi, Se, Ni, Te>

    Ni+Te (INTJness) is like a fall back second option (being their second strongest function combo) for ISFP and vice versa.*


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    especially when quoting vague generalizations from a huge number of books!

    i study till i have enough data. i don't see why i should keep going through numerous volumes just to further confirm my results. what made me be skeptic was definitely the number of books you blurted out..
    You asked me where I got my information on Jefferson's personality traits, I shared my reading list on Jefferson. That wasn't good enough for you, so now you're attempting to say I am lying. So I am totally confused about what you want. I think you're just being disingenous.

    So the more books one has read on a topic, the more you distrust what they say? Odd way to look at the world.

    If ask me about Nixon or Clinton or Bush, I have read zero books on them but I've read a lot on Jefferson, because of the time period he lived in and he being one of the more fascinating figures in a fascinating time period. I read everything I can get my hands on about the 1700s, sorry if that offends the way you think people *should* collect their information.

    But as I said, you needn't read every single page of every single book. Do you know how to use an index?

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