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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Isn't Keanu Reeves ENFJ!
    i know...intj?? but actually i kinda thought enfp but maybe enfj ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i know...intj?? but actually i kinda thought enfp but maybe enfj ??
    Yes, you might be correct, I can't remember. But definately ENF!

    It might have been Ethan Hawke who was ENFJ.

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    I think Reeves might be an ISFP but for some reason I could also see ENFP. FP for sure I'd say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    when typing people i use approximations, not generalizations. his function order may not completely be that of an ENFP, but that doesn't mean he isn't close to being an ENFP.
    I think we are using and interpreting type very differently so I don't think we'll be able to agree.

    feel free to give me examples of SPs overstepping boundaries. so far i haven't seen any.
    I need you to be giving me examples so I can see where you're coming from. Some specific examples of where an NP would cross a boundary and an SP wouldn't would be good. You brought it up so you must have some examples in mind?

    are you kidding me? nobody's telling anyone what to do, it's about what they are most likely to do. an introvert is not very likely to walk into a studio, whereas a ENP would be very much likely. it's probability, not orders. can't you have a discussion without attacking the other person?
    I'm sorry, I didn't mean that as an attack, a defense more likely. You seemed to be implying that being an introvert is a handicap in some way, which I strongly disagree with. There are any number of reasons why an Introvert could and would do that.

    It just frustrates me to see blanket statements like " You're an S so you are unable to have good use or understanding of intuition" or "you're an introvert, so you're unconvincing and have poor social skills".

    yeah, no. i don't believe it to be a chance encounter; he was going for it having in mind what he wanted to do. that's NP right there. like i said before, i'm positive he's not introvert.
    The way he described it in the interview I saw he said he was just curious and was exploring the studio when he just happened to open a lucky door, got talking to the guy inside and ended up with an unpaid job.

    also, how is walking into a place asking for a job overstepping a boundary? is there some sort of social stigma against people who have jobs that they want that i'm not aware of?

    here:
    YouTube - Spielberg explains the job
    He was on a tour and left the tour and started wandering off by himself, I'm pretty sure that's not allowed, so he was breaking the rules.

    i'm willing to bet no ISFP would talk like that, let alone say that you need "intuition" as a skill for film making. he's definitely not S.
    Why wouldn't he? Just because someone is an S doesn't mean they don't value intuition, in the same way someone who is an N doesn't mean they don't value sensing. Ni is the tertiary process of an ISFP and probably the function most heavily and conciously relied open when it comes to their creativity.

    so you're saying that your Fi charm lets you do what you want or talk like you want to anyone? i doubt it.
    I don't even know what Fi charm means, it sounds vague.

    i think the clip from youtube is the killing blow in this discussion. there's no way an ISP would be able to be so open/calm while talking, and the way he deducts requirements from abstraction is a tell tale sign of N.
    You're doing it again, you are putting limits on what you think a certain type can do that just aren't there. I didn't see anything spectacular about the way he was talking and could easily see myself doing a clip like that. He is a very mature and pretty much self-actualised guy, who has been in the movie industry most his life, probably done countless interviews, ISFP or not of course he is going to be comfortable speaking to the camera! What to me is more telling is how he described his childhood, how shy, quiet and awkward he was before maturing and becoming more balanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    I need you to be giving me examples so I can see where you're coming from. Some specific examples of where an NP would cross a boundary and an SP wouldn't would be good. You brought it up so you must have some examples in mind?
    NF overstep: lars von trier's antichrist, with people mutilating themselves and others and the effect on his audience. or, in the heroes series, when a person sends in a person to be eaten by another person. the person about to get eaten is oblivious to what is going to happen. NF boundary breaking seeps into the core and breaks you down from within. that is something SP won't ever be able to do.

    I'm sorry, I didn't mean that as an attack, a defense more likely. You seemed to be implying that being an introvert is a handicap in some way, which I strongly disagree with. There are any number of reasons why an Introvert could and would do that.

    It just frustrates me to see blanket statements like " You're an S so you are unable to have good use or understanding of intuition" or "you're an introvert, so you're unconvincing and have poor social skills".
    about the S, i'll have to say that you most likely don't have a good sense of intuition; you wouldn't be at the same level as an dominant N or even auxiliary N. and yes, it may be a blanket statement, but the dichotomy between S and N is the only reason i can still use the MBTI theory as a base. there are simply things that S won't be able to understand, in the same way that there are things that N won't be able to do; regardless of whether you have a tertiary intutive function or not.

    the ISFP/ISTPs i have met have had no understanding on the things that happen on the level i am on. so pardon if it's offensive, but it's the truth either how.

    introvertness on the other hand, i treat as energy management; it is a function that allows you to get energy from being alone rather than being with people. i don't associate anything else with it. however, introvertedness is frequently followed by paranoia, which creates shyness because of fear. extrovertedness on the other hand, may be followed by autophobia.

    The way he described it in the interview I saw he said he was just curious and was exploring the studio when he just happened to open a lucky door, got talking to the guy inside and ended up with an unpaid job.
    source please.

    He was on a tour and left the tour and started wandering off by himself, I'm pretty sure that's not allowed, so he was breaking the rules.
    what are you referring to here?

    Why wouldn't he? Just because someone is an S doesn't mean they don't value intuition, in the same way someone who is an N doesn't mean they don't value sensing. Ni is the tertiary process of an ISFP and probably the function most heavily and conciously relied open when it comes to their creativity.
    intuition is a subconscious process, it cannot be opened as a conscious state. besides, anyone with a dominant or auxiliary S function would have that function speaking louder than any intuitive function. see above statement of S vs N.


    I don't even know what Fi charm means, it sounds vague.
    you tell me. i mean, you've been implying that everything ENFPs have in levels of charm, ISFPs have too. i don't know where you are getting that Fi is working that way, but i have a hard time believing it.


    You're doing it again, you are putting limits on what you think a certain type can do that just aren't there. I didn't see anything spectacular about the way he was talking and could easily see myself doing a clip like that. He is a very mature and pretty much self-actualised guy, who has been in the movie industry most his life, probably done countless interviews, ISFP or not of course he is going to be comfortable speaking to the camera! What to me is more telling is how he described his childhood, how shy, quiet and awkward he was before maturing and becoming more balanced.
    i was shy as a child too; that doesn't mean i stayed that way. i was probably more introverted as a child, but i taught myself to break through it. as a result, i am more open and will talk with more people, but i still retain my energy management with being alone.

    of course this does not mean that he is extroverted, but it would seem more likely at this point. or, put in another way, i have yet to see him appear introverted.

    and yes, i put limits on types, because without those limits, we'd just have one big type. somehow, i don't think that would work.

    When an ISFP is passionate they will talk your ear off I promise you.
    i have yet to see this from any of the ISFPs i know.

    i don't know why you keep arguing, you've even had compelling evidence from that other guy. i am doubtless in that he is N, and i honestly don't think you can disprove me. you've tried, but i don't really see the points in your arguments.

    in retrospect i should have known not to argue with you. not because i couldn't win the argument, but because you wouldn't understand it when i did.
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    Like I said, you use and interpret type in vastly different ways than I do. So I don't think I can agree with you unless I buy into your system which I know nothing about.

    I just can't understand how a preference is in any way a limitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    source please.
    2 minutes in.

    YouTube - Steven Spielberg Interview 1/6
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    Well, all I have to say about the Speilberg ENFP debate is this:

    ENFPs are edgy, and Speilberg is about as edgy as Mister Rogers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonkavision View Post
    Well, all I have to say about the Speilberg ENFP debate is this:

    ENFPs are edgy, and Speilberg is about as edgy as Mister Rogers.
    eh, i'd not consider myself very edge. nor would i consider people like lady x (from what i have seen) very edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    eh, i'd not consider myself very edge. nor would i consider people like lady x (from what i have seen) very edge.
    Well, from my point of view, Lady X is edgy.

    And furthermore, the definition of "edgy" that I'm using here is "Daring, provocative, or trend-setting: ex.--an exhibition of edgy photographs; an edgy menu."

    or

    "Having a sharp or biting edge: ex.--an edgy wit."

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